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    Default The genetic diversity of Northern Italy

    Why such a small region has such a huge genetic variation? Does it mean it's less stable genetically for the last centuries, right?



    In this PCA we can see that some Northern Italians are closer to Tuscans, others to Iberians and others to French.

    Q, S, R, M, P (parts of Veneto, Friuli and Trento) would probably be closer to Tyroleans if they were included in the PCA, Austrian Tyroleans are probably the closest living population to what Austrians were before Slavic-admixture.

    I have some Austrian Tyrolean kits and they are considerably less eastern-shifted than average Austrians, somewhat intermediary between Veneto and SW Germany.

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    Tuscany is practically Northern Italy though.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    Celt + Frank (4.869)
    Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.463)
    Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.545)
    Celt + Saxon (5.789)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.283)
    Celt (6.539)
    Frank (10.13)
    Viking Icelandic (10.34)
    Viking Danish (10.4)
    Saxon (10.79)

    kit 2
    Celt + Belgae (4.016)
    Viking Danish + Belgae (5.555)
    Belgae + Frank (5.797)
    Celt + Frank (6.031)
    Celt (6.297)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.441)
    Belgae (8.662)
    Viking Danish (8.925)
    Frank (9.409)
    Saxon (10.83)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Tuscany is practically Northern Italy though.
    Tuscany is Central Italy. Even Emilia-Romagna is more of an intermediary region than Northern Italy proper.

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    They are on the fringes of the North, only Southern Tuscany is truly Central Italian.

    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    Celt + Frank (4.869)
    Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.463)
    Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.545)
    Celt + Saxon (5.789)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.283)
    Celt (6.539)
    Frank (10.13)
    Viking Icelandic (10.34)
    Viking Danish (10.4)
    Saxon (10.79)

    kit 2
    Celt + Belgae (4.016)
    Viking Danish + Belgae (5.555)
    Belgae + Frank (5.797)
    Celt + Frank (6.031)
    Celt (6.297)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.441)
    Belgae (8.662)
    Viking Danish (8.925)
    Frank (9.409)
    Saxon (10.83)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    They are on the fringes of the North, only Southern Tuscany is truly Central Italian.

    Northern Italy = Lombardy, Liguria, Aosta Valley, Piedmont, Italian speaking Switzerland (NW Italy) + Veneto, Trentino-Alto Adige, Friuli (NE Italy). Emilia-Romagna is more an intermediary region between NE Italy, NW Italy and Tuscany.

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    They are not same ppl, well they couldn't talk before language modernization/standardization..

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    my relative is around M
    hes my grandmother's relative
    100% Northeastern Italian, all documented as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlito's Way View Post
    my relative is around M
    hes my grandmother's relative
    100% Northeastern Italian, all documented as well
    Many Northern Italians are considerably more northern shifted than that old Bergamo sample used in GEDmatch calculators and spammed over and over again by trolls in anthroforums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berenice View Post
    Many Northern Italians are considerably more northern shifted than that old Bergamo sample used in GEDmatch calculators and spammed over and over again by trolls in anthroforums.
    is that Bergamo sample 100% Bergamo? that sample is probably not even fully northern italian at all
    i dont trust these companies when it comes to northern italians

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    I wonder where do the Southern French plot?

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