Why Spain???

[Gallop]

For us the Muslim period is history, a paragraph in our extensive history if we go back from the Kingdom of Tartessos to our days. We do not have or feel linked to the Arab or Muslim world, nor do we feel any kind of special affection towards that world due to the fact that part of Spain had been Muslim for 800 years. There is nothing, nor family oral tradition, nothing is left 0%. Nothing more than what you can read in the history books, the three monuments and half of always, some words and a dish but you feel the same as if they tell you that it is of Chinese origin, you do not feel anything. Thats the reality.

[B01AB20]

Adulterating facts by denying the past/history and its legacy because it's related with non Europeans (common practice among many Iberians in this forum, including regarding genetics) or emphasize/extrapolate that said past/legacy because it's related with Europeans (common practice among NAs in here, also regarding genetics "Iberian ancestry? superb! SSA meh not so much". It's nothing but two sides of the same coin. Pathetic.

About the OP song it's arabic sounding indeed, so what?

Recent published genetics studies say that moors left no genetic legacy in south Spain, or anywhere else. I read it recently in leftists/progressive papers and I think CV made a thread about it.
I said this because I think it's a common practice also in this forum to ignore scientific results if they don't agree with our personal expectations and inclinations, some posts in this same thread proves that.

And about the moor legacy, there're some words and some remarkable buildigs, but the most important and transcendent is precisely the long fight against them, The Reconquista, the process that gave birth to modern Spain and Portugal, without Reconquista we would be very different of what we're today, politically and culturally.

[Nassbean]

Recent published genetics studies say that moors left no genetic legacy in south Spain, or anywhere else. I read it recently in leftists/progressive papers and I think CV made a thread about it.
I said this because I think it's a common practice also in this forum to ignore scientific results if they don't agree with our personal expectations and inclinations, some posts in this same thread proves that.

And about the moor legacy, there're some words and some remarkable buildigs, but the most important and transcendent is precisely the long fight against them, The Reconquista, the process that gave birth to modern Spain and Portugal, without Reconquista we would be very different of what we're today, politically and culturally.

Yeah of course no influence that's because the original inhabitants were replaced :




almost 300 000 moriscos were expelled and the great majority of them were muslim iberians so what do you expect?

[B01AB20]

Yeah of course no influence that's because the original inhabitants were replaced :


almost 300 000 moriscos were expelled and the great majority of them were muslim iberians so what do you expect?

yeah, once seen the genetic results they tried to explain them with historic facts like the expulsion and others.

But I was alluding to posters like Token and this post for example.

Moorish admixture is still quite evident in Iberia, reaching 10% in the western fringe of the peninsula. Not nearly as much as in Medieval Southern Spain though.
Based on genetics, it is quite expectable that they'd had a significant cultural impact too, and they did.

Curiosly he mention scientific results often... I guess he only consider scientific results which agree with his personal inclinations.

[Nassbean]

yeah, once seen the genetic results they tried to explain them with historic facts like the expulsion and others.

But I was alluding to posters like Token and this post for example.



Curiosly he mention scientific results often... I guess he only consider scientific results which agree with his personal inclinations.

Actually he was quite right but weirdly this influence is bigger in regions who were not ruled for a long time by the moors like galicia or portugal for example :

[Morena]

Moorish admixture is still quite evident in Iberia, reaching 10% in the western fringe of the peninsula. Not nearly as much as in Medieval Southern Spain though.
Based on genetics, it is quite expectable that they'd had a significant cultural impact too, and they did.

Yes, there is higher rates of NA admixture in the west and the north of the peninsula, where the Romans settled. There is less in the east and the south, where the moors settled. Ergo, they didn't leave as much impact as the Roman settlements. Think of the north african input coming in two major events, not one. That makes more sense given the pattern of admixture vs. the settlements. Put it to you this way, Galicia and Asturias/LEon have higher rates of admixture than the rest of Spain, but neither areas were under Moorish control for a significant amount of time. Asturias was only under Moorish administration for 20 years, and the Galicians - never.

Actually he was quite right but weirdly this influence is bigger in regions who were not ruled for a long time by the moors like galicia or portugal for example

Because that was from the Romans, who settled those areas. They didn't like the desert and settled in the more fertile, and ore-rich areas of the west and the north.

I think that the impact from Moorish admixture is closer to the average if you remove Portugal, Galisa, and Asturias/Leon's numbers.

[Nassbean]

Yes, there is higher rates of NA admixture in the west and the north of the peninsula, where the Romans settled. There is less in the east and the south, where the moors settled. Ergo, they didn't leave as much impact as the Roman settlements. Think of the north african input coming in two major events, not one. That makes more sense given the pattern of admixture vs. the settlements. Put it to you this way, Galicia and Asturias/LEon have higher rates of admixture than the rest of Spain, but neither areas were under Moorish control for a significant amount of time. Asturias was only under Moorish administration for 20 years, and the Galicians - never.



Because that was from the Romans, who settled those areas. They didn't like the desert and settled in the more fertile, and ore-rich areas of the west and the north.

I think that the impact from Moorish admixture is closer to the average if you remove Portugal, Galisa, and Asturias/Leon's numbers.

That's because you forget carthaginians...plenty of north africans fought in those northern regions and carthaginians gave them some territories there also imo there was already a north african influence before history began

[Morena]

That's because you forget carthaginians...

The Carthaginians didn't seem to leave an impact with the native population, which was a little surprising. They were in the coastal areas. Although there was some small NA before the Romans, but it was the Romans who brought the first major influx North African and Near East.

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

Yes, there is higher rates of NA admixture in the west and the north of the peninsula, where the Romans settled. There is less in the east and the south, where the moors settled. Ergo, they didn't leave as much impact as the Roman settlements. Think of the north african input coming in two major events, not one. That makes more sense given the pattern of admixture vs. the settlements. Put it to you this way, Galicia and Asturias/LEon have higher rates of admixture than the rest of Spain, but neither areas were under Moorish control for a significant amount of time. Asturias was only under Moorish administration for 20 years, and the Galicians - never.



Because that was from the Romans, who settled those areas. They didn't like the desert and settled in the more fertile, and ore-rich areas of the west and the north.

I think that the impact from Moorish admixture is closer to the average if you remove Portugal, Galisa, and Asturias/Leon's numbers.

NA admix is highest in the west.

north central (esp basque) and north east have lower NA

south spain follows a similar pattern, with higher NA admix in the SW

the NA in iberia follows an east to west gradient, rather than a north to south one

this indicates most of the NA admix in Spain pre-dates the Moorish invasion (and probably pre-dates Roman times aswell)

It probably represents prehistoric migration events in Iberia

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

NA admix is highest in the west.

north central (esp basque) and north east have lower NA

south spain follows a similar pattern, with higher NA admix in the SW

the NA in iberia follows an east to west gradient, rather than a north to south one

this indicates most of the NA admix in Spain pre-dates the Moorish invasion (and probably pre-dates Roman times aswell)

It probably represents prehistoric migration events in Iberia

ps. Spain only has a tiny desert (in Almeria province)...nowhere else