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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildofMud View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think. This is what the genetics of ancient samples say, the ones that the Harvard team studied. They don't see it in Neolithic movements, and the Phoneticians left a small impact in the south. It wasn't until the Romans arrived that there was a large influx of NE and NA admixture.
    Some months-years ago, all of you got tired to claim the NA in Iberia came with Moors, that genetic supported this and blablabla.
    Now that with Romans... tomorrow God will know

    You posted this:
    These results demonstrate that by the Roman period, southern Iberia had experienced a major influx of North African ancestry, probably related to the well-known mobility patterns during the Roman Empire (22) or to the earlier Phoenician-Punic presence (23); the latter is also supported by the observation of the Phoenician-associated Ychromosome J2

    Not even your Harvard experts are able to determine it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Some months-years ago, all of you got tired to claim the NA in Iberia came with Moors, that genetic supported this and blablabla.
    Now that with Romans... tomorrow God will know

    You posted this:
    These results demonstrate that by the Roman period, southern Iberia had experienced a major influx of North African ancestry, probably related to the well-known mobility patterns during the Roman Empire (22) or to the earlier Phoenician-Punic presence (23); the latter is also supported by the observation of the Phoenician-associated Ychromosome J2

    Not even your Harvard experts are able to determine it
    Yes, the NA in the south could have come from the Phonetians or the Romans. But...again, please explain how it got to the north and west. It wasn't in the samples taken before the Romans. Before the Romans and Moors, the Iberians outside the south were like the Basques. There is no NA or NE in them -0- before then. NONE. So, it's either the romans or the moors. Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildofMud View Post
    Yes, the NA in the south could have come from the Phonetians or the Romans. But...again, please explain how it got to the north and west. It wasn't in the samples taken before the Romans. Before the Romans and Moors, the Iberians outside the south were like the Basques. There is no NA or NE in them -0- before then. NONE. So, it's either the romans or the moors. Take your pick.
    NA and NE is even present in French, Basques, British etc etc. (of course in ridicolous amounts). Dont make me search the calculators where they score it. So it is stupid to claim Celtiberians did not score some of NA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques de Imbelloni View Post
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    Andalusian music is influenced by the near east, no doubt. I like that singer, but there is so much I can take of her caterwauling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    NA and NE is even present in French, Basques, British etc etc. (of course in ridicolous amounts). Dont make me search the calculators where they score it. So it is stupid to claim Celtiberians did not score some of NA.
    You're just pissin in the wind. I don't care to continue this conversation anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildofMud View Post
    Andalusian music is influenced by the near east, no doubt. I like that singer, but there is so much I can take of her caterwauling.
    You know nothing about Andalusian (or any Spanish region) music, dont play the expert role.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChildofMud View Post
    You're just pissin in the wind. I don't care to continue this conversation anymore.
    No problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Stop with the bullshit of "10% NA admixed". Show a single Spanish dna test where he/she scores 10% or shut up a while, dear complexed Ouroboros.
    And returning to the topic, the NA is previous to the Roman conquest.
    El tipo este tiene un complejo muy gordo, es un negrata que se hace pasar por italo-brasileño.

    Igual que el Carlitos Way ese, exactamente igual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildofMud View Post
    Bolded: Phoneticians, maybe? I always wondered why there wasn't much of an impact from them left.
    It seems that the ocean was a genetic barrier. Are you familiar with Steve Sailer? He posted a picture of genetic barriers of Europe.

    edit: found it
    ancient southern iberians were extremely close to moroccans they just have been expelled that's it and here some people are proud that a good part of their native population has been expelled smh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    That is a lie. I have posted this dozens of times, and it seems that I will have to post it another dozens

    There are 1.300 words, not 4.000

    From the 44.310 words that the RAE (Real Academia Española de la Lengua) knows or believes knowing its origin only a 2´9%, ie one thousand three hundred (1300), being generous, are of Arabic origin.

    We say "being generous" because we take the words in which the Arabic language has had influence in the formation, not only from the direct heritage (which would be a few thousand one hundred sixty - 1160-).

    Also we take into account for this purpose all variations of Arabic language: regular, Bedouin, classic, dialectal, Hispanic, Moroccan and vulgar.

    Among all these variants of the Arabic language, which further presence has as origin of Castilian words is the only one which was spoken in the peninsula at a certain time, the Hispanic, nine hundred and ninety five (995) words.

    The real significance of all this? It´s the fact that the Latin, along with its derived languages (the Romances) add thirty and eight thousand four hundred sixty three words (38.463), a 86´8% of the words whose origin the RAE knows.

    http://castellanoactual.blogspot.com...caminos-i.html

    BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT, DEAR NASSBEAN, IS THAT OF THESE 1.300 WORDS (OR 4.000, OR 27.000 IF YOU PREFER), WE REALLY BARELY USE A FEW DAILY (almohada, alcohol, aceite, alcalde and a few dozens more). I DONT DENY THIS. IT IS A FACT THAT THE BIG MAJORITY OF THESE ARABIC WORDS LEFT TO BE USED CENTURIES AGO. HERE A WEB ABOUT THESE WORDS http://www.arabespanol.org/andalus/palabras.htm
    GOD KNOWS WE DONT USE 99% OF THE WORDS OF THAT LIST I HAVE LITERALLY NO IDEA WHAT THEY MEAN, AND FOR SURE IT IS THE FIRST TIME I HEAR ABOUT THEM WHAT THE FUCK IS ALBORNIA? ALBUDECA? ALCAFAR? ALCAMONIAS?? ALCAMONIAS, WHAT A WORD

    The RAE indeed includes it in our vocabulary, but they are not used. You can ask any Spaniard if they know these words, he/she will laugh with no doubt.
    That's a lie I just wrote " arabic words in spanish language" and that's what I found and they all say the same thing :"Castilian Spanish has retained approximately 8,000 words with Arabic origin to this day. After Latin, Arabic has made the greatest contribution to the Spanish language."

    "It is estimated that there are about one thousand Arabic roots, and approximately three thousand derived words, for a total of around four thousand words or 8% of the Spanish dictionary - the second largest lexical influence on Spanish after Latin."

    The second largest influence after Latin and you keep denying it ? Also latin was also a foreigner language so why are you so proud of it ? At least north africans have kept their native berber languages....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    I am not proud of Visicucks, boy. In fact I always say they were a bucnh of weak retards.
    Ok.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    These are 5-6 examples, included a Cathedral (of Córdoba) and a castle in San Esteban de Gormaz very very impressive, great legacy



    while in the other hand, as obvious, there are 67567465467 millions of Christian buildings, maaaaaaaany of them left by Romans and Visigoths, that is the point. You claimed there are more Moorish heritage than Roman/Germanic, which is FALSE.
    That's false there are more than 5-6 examples and yes later those christians just recovered those mosques so they could use it as churches/cathedral and castle i don't know what's impressive here. So you're proud that almost all the iberian heritage was built by foreigners ?? LMAO and all you have to show is a wall ?? hhahahaha


    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Part of the white part is south-east (south of current Castilla la Mancha). Oretania was its name. And they were Celtiberians.

    And I insist, all the fuckin Andalusia was ABSOLUTELY REPOPULATED with people of North Spain, who were obviously Celt descends.
    So you're proud that your own people were expelled like a bunch of animals ? and no not all northerners were celts...
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