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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    pen=0 is what's used obviously

    There's a major piece of the ancestral puzzle still missing for Northern Europeans, particularly North Eastern Europeans, hence the high distances.
    average Finn

    pen=0

    [1] "distance%=6.3079"

    Finnish

    Yamnaya_Samara,55
    Barcin_N,23
    WHG,18.4
    Han,3.6


    average Ukrainian:

    [1] "distance%=6.6087"

    Ukrainian

    Yamnaya_Samara,52
    Barcin_N,33.2
    WHG,14.8

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    An EHG could improve the fits. Yamnaya has a CHG component tied to it and going north either WHG, SHG or EHG increase but not CHG (rather decreases even).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    This is the datasheet Davidski uses

    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Armenia_EBA,0.107753,0.128634,-0.065242,-0.045113,-0.048932,-0.00344,0.009479,-0.005154,-0.056244,-0.016948,0.003139,0.009142,-0.014222,0.003165,0.005338,-0.000442,0.012256,-0.000971,-0.002598,0.000292,0.007528,-0.004122,0.004642,-0.00237,-0.001597
    Barcin_N,0.117977651830018,0.181018118861759,0.00271526882647004,-0.101018734131967,0.051948182859461,-0.0472580222655371,-0.00442995052737612,-0.0075689153780446,0.0367836121278892,0.0809766157370447,0.00854163106203961,0.0121616751868318,-0.0229383440771125,0.000770686966283977,-0.0411978972527725,-0.00909564603532921,0.0231562069432798,0.000741128278370216,0.0121550015220073,-0.00919816194138807,-0.0131143576167497,0.00612699324505911,-0.00388230311799581,-0.00332577136917137,-0.00513726380478947
    Clovis:Anzick,0.048944,-0.294504,0.114645,0.0969,-0.097864,-0.012271,-0.259922,-0.314756,-0.011862,-0.024055,0.006496,-0.002398,-0.000743,0.010597,-0.012079,0.006232,0.008345,0.00038,-0.003268,0.005753,-0.001747,0.003586,-0.006532,-0.000723,0.003712
    Ethiopia_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
    Ganj_Dareh_N,0.044012,0.06804,-0.15374,0.002369,-0.121869,0.019057,0.017391,-0.003307,-0.083037,-0.0554,-0.000325,-0.004796,0.006145,-0.009496,0.029587,0.058826,-0.008084,0.009882,0.011103,-0.036226,0.0094,-0.02708,-0.011626,-0.037917,0.025746
    Han,0.0209434519408812,-0.450691955965491,-0.00871148748492472,-0.0652140125379508,0.0789686239439437,0.038263798494138,0.00256161595482227,-0.00553823076442288,-0.0150734068047008,-0.00328024999047329,-0.0470601650528342,-0.00666906402728299,0.00726950761743875,-0.00761053379205427,-0.0042209013492381,0.00070272483946421,0.00132991729066134,-0.00111485963242015,-0.00177234251768669,-0.0103674728068127,0.011829125614347,0.00704820615476023,0.0146541536739588,-0.000771193360967274,-0.00246684462421126
    Iberomaurusian,-0.195093,0.083883,-0.022024,-0.086048,0.030036,-0.057284,-0.074357,0.017953,0.157811,0.003608,0.018577,-0.032521,0.078196,-0.05037,0.071036,-0.039459,0.005268,-0.066765,-0.142692,0.034592,-0.03958,-0.123133,0.071188,-0.013303,0.017939
    Levant_N,0.00615,0.0168,-0.0071,-0.04625,0.01025,-0.02515,-0.00645,-0.00645,0.03675,0.02375,0.0052,-0.0088,0.02085,-0.0031,-0.01465,0.00595,0.00775,-0.00645,-0.00725,0.01445,-0.0042,0.0059,0.00125,-9e-04,-0.0037
    Natufian,0.025041,0.151314,-0.035072,-0.144705,0.033545,-0.081157,-0.032196,-0.008769,0.127418,0.013668,0.037187,-0.027575,0.086818,0.001789,0.010722,-0.007955,-0.020601,-0.008995,-0.021494,0.038018,0.007237,0.00507,0.005916,0.003012,0.00491
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.180641,0.120157,-0.097557,0.065539,0.0047,0.009461,0.035996,0.026789,-0.002273,0.003747,-0.005649,0.007982,0.003529,0.003182,0.008736,0.001647,0.000126,-0.002001,0.001373,-0.008161,0.000246,-0.001928,-0.008023
    Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.0097,0.01705,-0.00375,-0.0302,0.00815,-0.01225,7e-04,-0.003,0.01125,0.0318,0.0094,0.0076,-0.00785,0.00045,-0.0276,0.00355,0.01325,-0.00045,0.009,4e-04,-8e-04,0.00415,-0.0067,-0.00395,-0.00655
    WHG,0.124636303669918,0.116278118427329,0.1847891284681,0.189278907118569,0.154644323974403,0.0464352948197812,0.013160595731197,0.0372676778522623,0.0890701311186865,0.0177680207817303,-0.0153457059954894,-0.0158109270759181,0.0159066935596308,-0.00302769879611562,0.0533380781431052,0.0582068310424129,0.00501978585200604,0.0163428287025227,-0.00930165576658264,0.0555891636022705,0.094458313186294,0.0111905729299263,-0.0496072065077243,-0.160866115139267,0.0170044629435922
    Yamnaya_Samara,0.125368186256765,0.087625971411533,0.043638141248077,0.116234368052845,-0.0298077319148034,0.0465348587852507,0.00376017020891342,-0.00174708104656023,-0.0563025490588719,-0.0735973289112539,0.000858385205208011,-0.000342595064412785,-0.00118928549978548,-0.0259713250277347,0.0358883833722727,0.0160054200511477,-0.000316702852844745,-0.000705782160478713,-0.00393258922045006,0.0144355490786198,-0.00229956704585233,-0.000830204493387021,0.0106521770217543,0.0178510778240273,-0.00316486585307182
    Yoruba,-0.630062125250819,0.0625007580664627,0.0221128476262357,0.0167079010725635,0.000503478833874871,0.0124739425309571,-0.0444170105927898,0.0477672403431473,-0.0488811971007258,0.032769332932607,0.00462076258308626,0.000790246620581196,0.0230559346809037,0.000950835044652857,0.012523319298979,-0.00960677891384516,0.00707633344275127,0.000449111067832891,0.00602206792055686,-0.00299005919587556,0.00155413248445877,0.00231564485368763,-0.00175911467946521,-0.000471030445003293,-0.000424512824894608
    Thanks for sharing. With this datasheet is better to use nMonte2 or nMonte3?

    They give very different results.

    Those are averages so I guess is better nMonte2, right?

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    [1] "distance%=2.4501"

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    Yamnaya_Samara,27
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,16
    Armenia_EBA,7.6
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    [1] "distance%=5.4862"

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    Yamnaya_Samara,49.8
    Barcin_N,37
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    Without proper HG references included, yamnaya ancestry is over represented in eastern European populations. I suggest including Narva samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltar View Post
    Thanks for sharing. With this datasheet is better to use nMonte2 or nMonte3?

    They give very different results.

    Those are averages so I guess is better nMonte2, right?
    I use nmonte3.

    This is a more recent datasheet, only marginally different, should be the same for most Europeans
    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Armenia_EBA,0.107753,0.128634,-0.065242,-0.045113,-0.048932,-0.00344,0.009479,-0.005154,-0.056244,-0.016948,0.003139,0.009142,-0.014222,0.003165,0.005338,-0.000442,0.012256,-0.000971,-0.002598,0.000292,0.007528,-0.004122,0.004642,-0.00237,-0.001597
    Barcin_N,0.117977651830018,0.181018118861759,0.00271526882647004,-0.101018734131967,0.051948182859461,-0.0472580222655371,-0.00442995052737612,-0.0075689153780446,0.0367836121278892,0.0809766157370447,0.00854163106203961,0.0121616751868318,-0.0229383440771125,0.000770686966283977,-0.0411978972527725,-0.00909564603532921,0.0231562069432798,0.000741128278370216,0.0121550015220073,-0.00919816194138807,-0.0131143576167497,0.00612699324505911,-0.00388230311799581,-0.00332577136917137,-0.00513726380478947
    Clovis:Anzick,0.048944,-0.294504,0.114645,0.0969,-0.097864,-0.012271,-0.259922,-0.314756,-0.011862,-0.024055,0.006496,-0.002398,-0.000743,0.010597,-0.012079,0.006232,0.008345,0.00038,-0.003268,0.005753,-0.001747,0.003586,-0.006532,-0.000723,0.003712
    Dinka,-0.577462,0.051115,0.000754,-0.007591,-0.005899,-0.001255,-0.016647,0.019691,0.080787,-0.097466,-0.019865,0.022055,-0.039569,-0.001216,0.009478,-0.021391,0.017059,-0.011212,0.022081,-0.022386,0.001996,0.003978,0.000924,0.001366,0.009799
    Ethiopia_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
    Ganj_Dareh_N,0.044012,0.06804,-0.15374,0.002369,-0.121869,0.019057,0.017391,-0.003307,-0.083037,-0.0554,-0.000325,-0.004796,0.006145,-0.009496,0.029587,0.058826,-0.008084,0.009882,0.011103,-0.036226,0.0094,-0.02708,-0.011626,-0.037917,0.025746
    Han,0.0209434519408812,-0.450691955965491,-0.00871148748492472,-0.0652140125379508,0.0789686239439437,0.038263798494138,0.00256161595482227,-0.00553823076442288,-0.0150734068047008,-0.00328024999047329,-0.0470601650528342,-0.00666906402728299,0.00726950761743875,-0.00761053379205427,-0.0042209013492381,0.00070272483946421,0.00132991729066134,-0.00111485963242015,-0.00177234251768669,-0.0103674728068127,0.011829125614347,0.00704820615476023,0.0146541536739588,-0.000771193360967274,-0.00246684462421126
    Jarawa,-0.021867,-0.243353,-0.132588,0.098702,0.032557,-0.004829,-0.009982,0.006571,0.054791,0.024084,0.023033,0.002769,-0.003826,0.010046,-0.010736,-0.011431,0.009937,-0.00204,-0.006106,0.028461,-0.004315,0.011344,-0.012805,0.001934,0.004651
    Levant_N,0.00615,0.0168,-0.0071,-0.04625,0.01025,-0.02515,-0.00645,-0.00645,0.03675,0.02375,0.0052,-0.0088,0.02085,-0.0031,-0.01465,0.00595,0.00775,-0.00645,-0.00725,0.01445,-0.0042,0.0059,0.00125,-9e-04,-0.0037
    Morocco_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.081445,-0.024287,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.05522,-0.070597,0.018415,0.155397,0.003499,0.020916,-0.031832,0.074717,-0.051333,0.071199,-0.036303,0.005268,-0.066106,-0.142416,0.038994,-0.037684,-0.125532,0.073012,-0.013761,0.016454
    Nganassan,0.049399,-0.406009,0.154242,0.001809,-0.158922,-0.085731,0.027966,0.043014,0.03031,0.012429,0.103409,0.009532,-0.003152,-0.027112,-0.022095,-0.013842,-0.000991,0.013733,0.02426,-0.001476,0.043548,-0.012736,0.034559,0.002362,0.013268
    Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.180641,0.120157,-0.097557,0.065539,0.0047,0.009461,0.035996,0.026789,-0.002273,0.003747,-0.005649,0.007982,0.003529,0.003182,0.008736,0.001647,0.000126,-0.002001,0.001373,-0.008161,0.000246,-0.001928,-0.008023
    Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.0097,0.01705,-0.00375,-0.0302,0.00815,-0.01225,7e-04,-0.003,0.01125,0.0318,0.0094,0.0076,-0.00785,0.00045,-0.0276,0.00355,0.01325,-0.00045,0.009,4e-04,-8e-04,0.00415,-0.0067,-0.00395,-0.00655
    WHG,0.124636303669918,0.116278118427329,0.1847891284681,0.189278907118569,0.154644323974403,0.0464352948197812,0.013160595731197,0.0372676778522623,0.0890701311186865,0.0177680207817303,-0.0153457059954894,-0.0158109270759181,0.0159066935596308,-0.00302769879611562,0.0533380781431052,0.0582068310424129,0.00501978585200604,0.0163428287025227,-0.00930165576658264,0.0555891636022705,0.094458313186294,0.0111905729299263,-0.0496072065077243,-0.160866115139267,0.0170044629435922
    Yamnaya_Samara,0.125368186256765,0.087625971411533,0.043638141248077,0.116234368052845,-0.0298077319148034,0.0465348587852507,0.00376017020891342,-0.00174708104656023,-0.0563025490588719,-0.0735973289112539,0.000858385205208011,-0.000342595064412785,-0.00118928549978548,-0.0259713250277347,0.0358883833722727,0.0160054200511477,-0.000316702852844745,-0.000705782160478713,-0.00393258922045006,0.0144355490786198,-0.00229956704585233,-0.000830204493387021,0.0106521770217543,0.0178510778240273,-0.00316486585307182
    Yoruba,-0.630062125250819,0.0625007580664627,0.0221128476262357,0.0167079010725635,0.000503478833874871,0.0124739425309571,-0.0444170105927898,0.0477672403431473,-0.0488811971007258,0.032769332932607,0.00462076258308626,0.000790246620581196,0.0230559346809037,0.000950835044652857,0.012523319298979,-0.00960677891384516,0.00707633344275127,0.000449111067832891,0.00602206792055686,-0.00299005919587556,0.00155413248445877,0.00231564485368763,-0.00175911467946521,-0.000471030445003293,-0.000424512824894608
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    This is a better fit for NW Europeans than Yamnaya and Barcin_N.

    [1] "distance%=4.551"

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    pen 0.001

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    Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,46.4
    Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,21
    Anatolia_Barcin_N,19.6
    WHG,11
    Levant_PPNB,

    pen 0, (from Davidski);

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    Anatolia_Barcin_N,29.6
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    P.S. what's the real difference between pen values, which one is more correct?

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