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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Tell that to millions of children butchered in the womb. You think we're not being killed off? We are. But make no mistake.. it is much subtler than the vulgar methods used by man in the past, but it is still happening.
    Russia has a massive abortion rate. They're also a decadent booze, drug, and prostitution infested cesspit, since you think any of this is relevant to a military alliance.

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    Heres how i see it North and South America should create their own alliance, Europe should create there and then other geographical areas that have an invested interest should also create a NATO like situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    The military alliance exists to protect the liberal-marxist governments of the west my friend. It isn't around to protect you and your family. You're nothing but a number to them. Your value is measured by your usefulness to the economy. You're not human to your government. You're simply a resource.
    So then my alternative is no alliance and an emboldened China, Islam, or a rearmed Germany and empowered Russia? You might consider the alternatives before wantonly trashing the status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Russia has a massive abortion rate. They're also a decadent booze, drug, and prostitution infested cesspit, since you think any of this is relevant to a military alliance.
    Did I not make it clear? They're as bad as one another. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel View Post
    Heres how i see it North and South America should create their own alliance, Europe should create there and then other geographical areas that have an invested interest should also create a NATO like situation.
    Military alliances necessarily involve trade in arms and intelligence. The US joining a military alliance with South America would mean it would be obligated to side with them in disputes with European states, including Britain in the Falklands.

    What such proposals are offering is effectively the end of Western Civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Military alliances necessarily involve trade in arms and intelligence. The US joining a military alliance with South America would mean it would be obligated to side with them in disputes with European states, including Britain in the Falklands/.
    Not been following the news lately have you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post
    Not been following the news lately have you?
    You don't seem to understand. If we join a military alliance comparable to NATO, we will be obligated to arm a/o side militarily with Argentina over Britain. As of now that isn't the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    What would these European Alliance do in case of trouble inside the countries or between countries? Like, how would it react to an independence war in the Balkans (again),in Spain (separate Catalonia), in Italy, in the UK, etc? Would the Alliance ever interfere in these internal affairs, like NATO or the Quintuple Alliance did? How aout if some member became communist, a muslim theocracy or something like that?
    No, these would be regarded as civil wars and unless it turned nasty there'd be no interference.
    The alliance would only step in if there was genocide or mass displacement, in this case it would step in, stop the war and force a political settlement.

    Basically what you'll be doing is trading in US influence for Russian and a newly empowered Germany.
    Nope, France and Britain would be significant too. Russia would be kept at distance by the lack of bases on foreign soil and West European power politics (aka squabbling).

    Does the history of the last century indicate that's a good idea?
    Yeah, Yeah, Russia will enslave us all like it did the East, we swap one master for the other.
    Russia wouldn't be able to dominate it and there'd be limits on the numbers of troops from every country - so that Russia or anyone else can't build up a small army like Russia has in Moldova.
    Maybe America could have observer status which would enable it to be a near-equal member, but for symbolic purposes we need you outside of it and for it to have a Europe-only façade, happy now?

    The military alliance exists to protect the liberal-marxist governments of the west my friend. It isn't around to protect you and your family. You're nothing but a number to them. Your value is measured by your usefulness to the economy. You're not human to your government. You're simply a resource.
    A number which forms part of a collective which is the populace of a nation. Politicians act in their own interests a lot of the time, but they can't ignore the huge majority of the rest of the population which creates the need and sustains them.
    Cut off the roots and the flower will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    You don't seem to understand. If we join a military alliance comparable to NATO, we will be obligated to arm a/o side militarily with Argentina over Britain. As of now that isn't the case.
    American doesn't give a fig about the already existent "special relationship" with Britain.

    And for the record I support Britain and it's claim to the Falklands.
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    Russia should join NATO
    Let these words be as sand in the cogwheels of reason,
    as a malign disturbance in the sustainment of universe,
    and let each quark of this degenerated microcosm
    stand as a citadel of cold and deliberate hatred.
    Let there come a glorious error in the patterns of the world.
    Let the tainted foundations of reality crumble
    and let us hope nothing comes afterwards,
    so the gravest of mistakes we all blindly wander in
    will finally come to an end.

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