Should European countries exit NATO?

[BeerBaron]

^ well aren't we clever, to bad those dont interchange as well as they did the first time you did it.

[poiuytrewq0987]

^ well aren't we clever, to bad those dont interchange as well as they did the first time you did it.

Your crazy crusade of Russia = bad guys, the USA = good guys is just flat out retarded. Instead of fearmongering, we should be looking to fostering good relationship. The NATO is not interested in doing that, instead they want to absorb former Warsaw Pact states and turn them against Russia.

[Birka]

To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson: Trade with all, alliances with none.n Do away with NATO, SEATO and the UN. Is SEATO still functioning?

[BeerBaron]

Your crazy crusade of Russia = bad guys, the USA = good guys is just flat out retarded. Instead of fearmongering, we should be looking to fostering good relationship. The NATO is not interested in doing that, instead they want to absorb former Warsaw Pact states and turn them against Russia.

I never said russians are bad and the usa is good, i don't draw those kind of moral lines in politics. morals are left at the door in the political arena, and they should be. the reality of it is that good relations are fleeting and don't last. Nato doesn't really need to turn anyone against russia, most former warsaw pact members are pretty solidly anit-russia. russia's current policy is anti west, so until that changes and its leader changes my opinion stands, but it has nothing to do with "good" or "bad"

[BeerBaron]

To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson: Trade with all, alliances with none.n Do away with NATO, SEATO and the UN. Is SEATO still functioning?

Interesting how he wrote that, then came the Barbary war, hmmm

[poiuytrewq0987]

I never said russians are bad and the usa is good, i don't draw those kind of moral lines in politics. morals are left at the door in the political arena, and they should be. the reality of it is that good relations are fleeting and don't last. Nato doesn't really need to turn anyone against russia, most former warsaw pact members are pretty solidly anit-russia. russia's current policy is anti west, so until that changes and its leader changes my opinion stands, but it has nothing to do with "good" or "bad"

The NATO was formed to unify America's allies against the Soviet Union. When the Soviet Union ended, the NATO didn't end and continues to absorb former Warsaw Pact states. What kind of message do you think the NATO is sending Russia, genius?

The NATO is inherently hostile against Russia and it is only natural for Russia to respond by playing power politics.

[BeerBaron]

The NATO was formed to unify America's allies against the Soviet Union. When the Soviet Union ended, the NATO didn't end and continues to absorb former Warsaw Pact states. What kind of message do you think the NATO is sending Russia, genius?

The NATO is inherently hostile against Russia and it is only natural for Russia to respond by playing power politics.

NATO is playing power politics just as EVERYONE in the world is doing. Siding with Russia seems to be a common theme among liberal europe, that is vehemently anti american, kinda like when you see a dog with a broken leg you feel bad for it and want to help it, then the dog gets better and bites you. History has shown the end of those that act weak, power is the only thing respected in this world, this good relations stuff is egalitarian nonsense that few if any subscribe to.

[Joe McCarthy]

Interesting how he wrote that, then came the Barbary war, hmmm

LOL. Jefferson's pipsqueak navy got us bullied for years by both Britain and France during the Napoleonic Wars. His isolationist fantasies are the last to be citing for proper geostrategy.

[poiuytrewq0987]

NATO is playing power politics just as EVERYONE in the world is doing. Siding with Russia seems to be a common theme among liberal europe, that is vehemently anti american, kinda like when you see a dog with a broken leg you feel bad for it and want to help it, then the dog gets better and bites you. History has shown the end of those that act weak, power is the only thing respected in this world, this good relations stuff is egalitarian nonsense that few if any subscribe to.

The moral of the story is that the NATO needs to go away for peace to reign.

[BeerBaron]

The moral of the story is that the NATO needs to go away for peace to reign.

The moral of the story is that peace is a delusion as long as nation states exist