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    The French and the Irish were best buddies for a long time. Mostly it's because they are Catholic.
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    Simply put, after the English civil war being a Catholic was tantamount to being a pagan witch. Mary Tudor left a bad taste in everyone's mouth after her reign and her Spanish husband/nephew's subsequent attempt to invade England as well as the Thirty Years' War in the Holy Roman Empire(mostly in today's Germany). They didn't know what to make of their alligiances and were heavily mistrusted over this. Scotland was Calvinist, the Puritans had taken over England after Charles' execution and Anglo American colonies were overwhelmingly Anglo-Scottish and Dutch Protestant, this stigma against the Irish outlived all the forementioned for years to come so it would follow them there too. Tom Reilly wrote a book about Cromwell and his treatment of Ireland, though he reckoned he was humane even if he was Calvinist zealot and the Irish could've fared worse under others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    So, it's mainly the Irish Catholics, but not so much Protestant Irish? The Protestants did seem to be the ones in power.
    Yes, much more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    So, it's mainly the Irish Catholics, but not so much Protestant Irish? The Protestants did seem to be the ones in power.
    The Protestant "Irish" are mainly British, not Irish; they're Scottish and English migrants who have a British identity; they're more nationalist Brit than actual people from the island of Britain.

    Anyway, no one looks down upon Irish anymore, maybe historically but not in the present tense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post

    Anyway, no one looks down upon Irish anymore, maybe historically but not in the present tense.
    True, but some stuck up WASP was once rude to my great-grandfather in Boston in 1915. Called him a potato head or something. I'm still outraged!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    The Protestant "Irish" are mainly British, not Irish; they're Scottish and English migrants who have a British identity; they're more nationalist Brit than actual people from the island of Britain.

    Anyway, no one looks down upon Irish anymore, maybe historically but not in the present tense.
    I have ancestors from Ireland that were Protestant. They were not of Anglo origin. They might have intermarried, though.

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    Irish are mainly only looked down upon in Britain and the Anglosphere now because of Irish Travellers / Pikey's. In the past it was for IRA terrorism and the fact they were urban lower-class with too many children, as well being at the centre of left-wing politics and trade unionism. There are still vestiges of that I suppose.
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    Not sure about in Europe, but in America the English were discriminatory to all the other ethnic groups. In my town there were signs up that said "No Swedes allowed" and "dumb Swede" was used often by the Anglos because of their language skills. English and Irish have always had hostility in both lands though.

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    I think the hostility towards Irish immigration to the US has been blown out of proportion. Yes, there was friction in urban environments due to religious differences and old Anglo v. Irish history but I think this has largely been mythologized. Three of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were born in Ireland and many millions of White Americans can trace their ancestry to Ireland. If they were so hated, why are so many of us part Irish (myself included)?

    One of the reasons it has been pushed into the modern discourse is to be able to point to native-born American reluctance towards whole-heartedly accepting massive non-white immigration to the US and conclude that that reluctance is just downright silly because our crazy ancestors didn't even think Italians or Irish were White.

    I think it's a crock of shit, to be quite honest.

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