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    Americans make up Mexico’s largest demographic of immigrants



    Josh Nichols, 34 enjoys a cup of coffee at his home in Tijuana that he shares with roommates along with his fiancée, Alejandra Lopez Uribe. Following a travel trip to Mexico, Nichols found a strong connection with the people he met along the way in Mexico which had a big influence on his decision to relocate to Mexico.


    The net flow of United States immigrants to Mexico is larger than the flow of Mexican-born immigrants into the United States: Mexican government

    Tijuana, Baja California —
    They come for the tacos. Or the music. Or the nightlife.

    They stay to live a less-expensive lifestyle or to retire in a casita in the sand.

    Americans immigrants living the Mexican dream can have the same hopes and goals of the Mexican immigrant in the U.S.: to get a little ahead or to start a new life.

    There may be more Americans living south-of-the-border than previously noticed.

    Last month, Mexico’s President Andrés Manuel López Obrador tasked his foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, with gathering data on U.S. immigrants, who also go largely undocumented.

    The Mexican government determined Americans are actually Mexico’s largest group of immigrants.

    López Obrador mentioned the southbound surge last week during a speech in Tijuana promoting friendship between the two countries.

    “A little-cited fact is that in Mexico, there are about 1.2 million Americans. That is, our two countries are protagonists of the largest demographic exchange in the world,” said López Obrador.

    The U.S. Embassy in Mexico City said the figure might be an undercount, because many Americans overstay their visa.

    They estimated there are more than 1.5 million U.S.-born citizens in Mexico, including some 600,000 U.S.-born children of Mexican parents whose families have returned home.

    For 34-year-old Josh Nichols, who moved to Mexico City three years ago and now lives in Tijuana, it wasn’t the cheaper rent or the nightlife or the beaches.

    He fell in love with the culture and the pace of his lifestyle south of the border.

    "(Here) I probably get to spend a lot more of my time just socializing, especially with people that I don’t know,” said Nichols. “One of the things I really like about Mexico is just that people tend to be more open.”

    Nichols mentioned the Spanish word convivencia which literally translates to coexistence, but he said he doesn’t think the translation gives the full context of the word.

    “You know how the Eskimos have so many different words for snow? If you interact with something more, you have more vocabulary to describe that thing,” he said. “I don’t know that we have a word in the United States for just sharing time with one another and I think that word reflects a big cultural difference between the two countries.”


    But, the number of unauthorized Mexicans living in the U.S. has fallen by 2 million people during the last decade or so, from 6.9 million in 2007 to 4.9 million in 2017, according to Pew Research Center.

    The number of Mexicans living in the United States declined so sharply over the past decade that Mexicans are no longer the country’s largest demographic of undocumented migrants. Many are returning home.

    Apprehensions of Mexicans at the U.S. border also dropped from a high of 1.6 million in 2000 to 152,257 in 2018. For the third consecutive fiscal year, apprehensions of non-Mexicans outnumbered those of Mexicans.

    Meanwhile, the number of Americans living in Mexico has increased by more than four times since 1990, according to federal data.

    For Nichols, who left Colorado several years ago, the sense of community is stronger in Mexico, and he has some ideas about why.

    “If you’re rich, you have access to lots of materials. If you get sick, you can buy medicine. If you get bored, you can buy entertainment. And you can basically be a terrible person if you want to without it necessarily affecting your survival,” said Nichols.

    “But if you’re poor, there might be a day when you don’t have food. Or you get sick and you need your neighbor to take care of you. So, you have to be nice and you have to maintain those relationships with your family and your neighbor and your community. You need to have people around you that are going to bring you food. I see that all the time in Mexico,” he said.

    Trump has repeatedly threatened to impose punishing sanctions on Mexico unless they stem the flow of central american ilegal migrants making their way to the United States border.

    In Mexico, the federal government takes a very different approach with its American immigrant population, whether they are legal or not.

    “We have never pressured them to have their documents in order,” Mexico’s Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard told The Washington Post.

    He has not yet respond to questions from the Union-Tribune about whether that lenient attitude will continue amid Mexico’s crackdown on migration spurred by pressure from the Trump administration. But that’s unlikely. Mexican authorities believe Americans stimulate the local economy, just like Mexicans do in the U.S., they said.

    In recent weeks, Mexican authorities have set up immigration checkpoints along main northbound highways and have been aggressively detaining and deporting thousands of migrants from Central America, Haiti and Cuba.

    If and when the Mexican government does enforce their immigration laws against Americans who overstay their six-month visa, it’s usually just with a small fine.


    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...-of-immigrants

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    Do Americans live illegally in Mexico?

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    But most are returned mexican americans and not white americans like this guy in the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Do Americans live illegally in Mexico?
    yes, many of them do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    But most are returned mexican americans and not white americans like this guy in the picture.
    show me a source?
    most of them are white, you idiot

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    I have seen some videos where Americans (they were all white) went to Mexico in order to use their dental/health services.

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    Rent is overpriced EVERYWHERE in the US. The US has really f-cked up priorities i.e. Greed > Everything. I'm not surprised they go to Mexico. I might check it out myself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus View Post
    But most are returned mexican americans and not white americans like this guy in the picture.
    Nope.Only around 40% are.

    They estimated there are more than 1.5 million U.S.-born citizens in Mexico, including some 600,000 U.S.-born children of Mexican parents whose families have returned home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMuller View Post
    Nope.Only around 40% are.
    That is a pretty big chuck. I bet a lot a retirees.

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    This fact has actually been known about for some time. All the same, it is still not at all comparable to the number and proportion of Mexicans (whether 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation) who live in the US, however much Mexican immigration may now be falling. Out of curiosity, I wonder how many African-Americans live in Mexico and how they're generally treated? Phyllicia Rashad spent much of her childhood in Mexico.

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