R1b frequency in West Asians

[Rocinante]

lol but which subclades they get? V88? Z2103? They get non-western clades.

[PaleoEuropean]

I think its highly exaggerated for Dead Sea Arabs.

[Brutus]

8% and 9% is not a "high percentage" though.

My fault, I should have phrased it better. What I meant to convey was that the rates are relatively high compared to some West Asians and Arabs as a whole (Including North Africans). The percentages are higher among Syrians and Jordanians, but they're moderate when speaking on the overall population distribution.

[Brutus]

lol but which subclades they get? V88? Z2103? They get non-western clades.

I do not know for the others, but in the Levant there are western clades. The majority is Z2103 and then a minority of V88 and western clades. I have seen multiple samples in the Lebanon study that were on R-P312 > U152 and R-DF27. The possible explanation for the first is that R-U152 men either arrived with the crusades or during the Roman times. R-DF27 is clearly Western European and it's most definitely a crusader clade. Another interesting thing I found is that these clades were exclusively found in Druze, Sunnis and Shiites.

[Rocinante]

If any western asian have one of this clades:



Is a true R1b. If not, they will be inferior.

[Brutus]

(By mistake)

[Dr_Maul]

Most R1b in West Asia is “native” i.e in Hittites, Armenians etc. I think a minor amount, especially in Kurds, is from IE migrations, and a second small amount in the Levant is from Crusaders. Without known clades however it’s impossible to tell

[Brutus]

If any western asian have one of this clades:



Is a true R1b. If not, they will be inferior.

I guess every man under Z2103 is not a real R1b. Logic.

[Rocinante]

I guess every man under Z2103 is not a real R1b. Logic.

That's a Negro-Med clade.

[Kamal900]

Most R1b in West Asia is “native” i.e in Hittites, Armenians etc. I think a minor amount, especially in Kurds, is from IE migrations, and a second small amount in the Levant is from Crusaders. Without known clades however it’s impossible to tell

Indeed. While the Hitites were an Indo-European group, they're more or less genetically native Anatolians similar to the Iranic peoples of Iran that are predominatly genetically natives to Iran from pre-Iranic groups of that region and so on. The R1b clades in middle easterners aren't the same as those found in Europe.