fate of Irish women taken by Vikings as slaves to Iceland

[Dick]

Ancient Iceland settlers had even split of Norse and Gaelic ancestry


The mapping of DNA from some of the settlers who colonised Iceland more than 1,000 years ago offers an insight into the fate of thousands of slaves – mostly women – who were taken by Norse Vikings from Ireland and Scotland before they put down roots on the North Atlantic island.

Anthropologist Sunna Ebenesersdóttir, of the University of Iceland and the company deCODE Genetics in Reykjavik, analysed the genomes of 25 ancient Icelanders whose skeletal remains were found in burial sites across the island.

Sequencing using samples from teeth revealed the settlers had a roughly even split of Norse (from what are today Norway and Sweden) and Gaelic ancestry. It is the first in-depth investigation of how a new population is formed through a genetic process known as “admixture”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/scie...zFHZwXQrJldiZQ

[Peterski]

Those Vikings were misogynistic.

[Dick]

Those Vikings were misogynistic.

boys will be boys

[Grace O'Malley]

That's what happened in those days. It was a violent time. Anyway Irish were fighting among themselves so they were unstable times.

[Not a Cop]

That's what happened in those days. It was a violent time. Anyway Irish were fighting among themselves so they were unstable times.

I'm still not convienced about the supposed half of Icelanders gaelic ancestry. Anthropological studies show that Icelanders cluster pretty tight with Scandos and don't show much closeness to Brits.

[Peterski]

Lots of Irish/British Y-DNA in Iceland (ca. 25%) and in Western Norway as well, how do they explain this? Obviously not just women went to Iceland (and to Scandinavia "proper"):

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm still not convienced about the supposed half of Icelanders gaelic ancestry. Anthropological studies show that Icelanders cluster pretty tight with Scandos and don't show much closeness to Brits.

They cluster close to Irish and British as well. Even looking at myself Icelanders appear quite close to Irish and Scots.

The population that I'm closest to after Irish on the G25 is Iceland.

These are my results

Irish_Averaged Averaged 1.876
Icelandic_Averaged Averaged 1.914
Scottish_Averaged Averaged 1.964
Welsh_Averaged Averaged 1.977
Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 1.98
English_Averaged Averaged 2.206
Norwegian_Averaged Averaged 2.336
English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 2.454
Dutch_Averaged Averaged 2.459

I'm also closest to the Celtic/Viking from Iceland on MytrueAncestry

1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.08) - VDP-A6 (Click for more info)
2. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (3.412) - I2452 (Click for more info)
3. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (4.959) - I2981 (Click for more info)
4. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (5.159) - I5367 (Click for more info)
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.316) - CL92 (Click for more info)
6. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.323) - Unknown (Click for more info)
7. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.337) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info)
8. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (5.395) - I1767 (Click for more info)
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.498) - SZ4 (Click for more info)
10. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.509) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info)

VDP-A6 is a Gaelic/Norse mix



I think everyone would agree that Icelanders have Gaelic admixture. It's been known and acknowledged for a long time and backed up in genetic studies.

[Not a Cop]

They cluster close to Irish and British as well. Even looking at myself Icelanders appear quite close to Irish and Scots.

The population that I'm closest to after Irish on the G25 is Iceland.

These are my results

Irish_Averaged Averaged 1.876
Icelandic_Averaged Averaged 1.914
Scottish_Averaged Averaged 1.964
Welsh_Averaged Averaged 1.977
Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 1.98
English_Averaged Averaged 2.206
Norwegian_Averaged Averaged 2.336
English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 2.454
Dutch_Averaged Averaged 2.459

I'm also closest to the Celtic/Viking from Iceland on MytrueAncestry

1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.08) - VDP-A6 (Click for more info)
2. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (3.412) - I2452 (Click for more info)
3. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (4.959) - I2981 (Click for more info)
4. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (5.159) - I5367 (Click for more info)
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.316) - CL92 (Click for more info)
6. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.323) - Unknown (Click for more info)
7. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.337) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info)
8. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (5.395) - I1767 (Click for more info)
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.498) - SZ4 (Click for more info)
10. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.509) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info)

VDP-A6 is a Gaelic/Norse mix



I think everyone would agree that Icelanders have Gaelic admixture. It's been known and acknowledged for a long time and backed up in genetic studies.

I've seen thoose studies, but my question was about the phenotypical differences between Icelanders, Scandos and Irish.

There is a study i'm basing on:





And i think it's pretty obvious from simple eye-view of populations that Icelanders are much closer to Scandos, so i was doubting the amount of Gaelic admixture among Icelanders basing on phenotypes.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've seen thoose studies, but my question was about the phenotypical differences between Icelanders, Scandos and Irish.

There is a study i'm basing on:





And i think it's pretty obvious from simple eye-view of populations that Icelanders are much closer to Scandos, so i was doubting the amount of Gaelic admixture among Icelanders basing on phenotypes.

But there are genetic studies so why would you base your knowledge on things like hair colour? Hair colour differences are quite subtle anyway. There is no argument though that Icelandic people have Gaelic admixture.

[Not a Cop]

But there are genetic studies so why would you base your knowledge on things like hair colour? Hair colour differences are quite subtle anyway. There is no argument though that Icelandic people have Gaelic admixture.

Well it comes from general curiosity, here is how it is in my head:

1. Icelanders have a lot of Gaelic admixture.

2. Thus logically Icelanders should look like Irish-Norwegian mix.

3. Icelanders look mostly like other Scandos.

4. Which leads to conclusion that either Irish admix is not that high, or that there were other factors in play which led to a situation where while having a high admix it doesn't show in phenotype.