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Thread: Ukrainian internet portal suggests a plebiscite on unification with Poland

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    Someone suggested:

    "Russian provocation?"

    But apparently not:

    "This article was posted on the Ukrainian website, it was written by Ukrainians. Please believe us that many [Ukrainians] would agree to join Poland without hesitation. Which, of course, would be rather unfavorable for us [Poles]. The article is clearly anti-Russian. The author even states that Ukraine has never been part of the 'Russian world'."

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    "Journalists of the Ukrainian website encourage the dissemination of the idea on social networks, which they think will make 'a referendum in a year or two'.

    The text of the proposal can be found at: ua-reporter.com."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Someone suggested:

    "Russian provocation?"

    But apparently not:

    "This article was posted on the Ukrainian website, it was written by Ukrainians. Please believe us that many [Ukrainians] would agree to join Poland without hesitation. Which, of course, would be rather unfavorable for us [Poles]. The article is clearly anti-Russian. The author even states that Ukraine has never been part of the 'Russian world'."

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    "Journalists of the Ukrainian website encourage the dissemination of the idea on social networks, which they think will make 'a referendum in a year or two'.

    The text of the proposal can be found at: ua-reporter.com."
    Notice how the very first thing the list among reasons to join is

    ..the salaries and pensions would increase, the problem of corruption would disappear, and the economy and science would develop.
    So basically they admitting their own impotence and need for external ruler to sort things out. They themselves don't wont to work hard to fix their problems, they want salaries and pensions and preferably now. In Russian it's called "урвать нахаляву". Wonder where the money for all these nice things will come from?

    Anyway it's impossible at this stage. Last time I checked Poland is NATO member and no entities with ongoing territorial disputes could join NATO. That road is closed for Ukraine for as long as situation at Donbass is not resolved.

    As for the agreement of 1648 it was rendered void by Treaty of Perpetual Peace in 1686 by which Russia had bought Kiev and territories around it from Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. There were few more agreements made after that with Polish state disappearing from map as result. All of these later agreements are more relevant than the one selected for the purposes of the article.

    Far more probable scenario is partition of Ukraine along pre-WWII borders. Poland will get the westernmost provinces while Russia will get the rest. All those dreams and hopes of Great Ukrs will be crushed by harsh realities of 'Realpolitik'.

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    lol

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    Basically it loosk like fake news for me and as Sarmatian said it would be impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
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    I found the original (Ukrainian) article, it is actually from 2016:

    English translation: https://translate.google.com/transla...rzhavu-yevropy

    In Ukrainian: https://ua-reporter.com/uk/news/ukra...rzhavu-yevropy

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    And the name will be..............

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    Non Auro, Sed Ferro, Recuperanda Est Patria (Not by Gold, But by Iron, Is the Nation to be Recovered) - Marcus Furius Camillus (Roman General)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mens-Sarda View Post
    And the name will be..............

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    Duzhe ( Veliki) Hohlostan (Lyssyi copyright)

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    I wonder how UPA and Bandera problem would be solved...

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