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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    What is Venetocracy ?..
    Venetokratía in Greek.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Venetocracy

    Ancient Rome was more Etruscan than Greek.. ( and the Etruscan civilization is still a mystery )
    Ancient Rome was Italian not Greek. The roots of this civilization though goes back to ancient Greece and Magna Graecia. I go by the historical references stating Etruscans came from Asia Minor and Lesbos island of the Aegean and were Pelasgians, or at least the core and a big part of them.


    Etruscan civilization

    The latter gave way in the 7th century BC to a culture that was influenced by Ancient Greek culture, during the Archaic (Orientalizing period), and later the Classical period.

    Archaic Greece had a huge influence on their art and architecture, and Greek mythology was evidently very familiar to them.

    Origins

    The origins of the Etruscans are mostly lost in prehistory, although Greek historians as early as the 5th century BC repeatedly associated the Tyrrhenians (Turrhēnoi/Τυρρηνοί, Tursēnoi/Τυρσηνοί) with Pelasgians, which could both be broad descriptive terms. Strabo[20] and the Homeric Hymn to Dionysus[21] make mention of the Tyrrhenians as pirates.[22] Thucydides,[23] Herodotus[24] and Strabo[25] all denote Lemnos as settled by Pelasgians, whom Thucydides identifies as "belonging to the Tyrrhenians" (τὸ δὲ πλεῖστον Πελασγικόν, τῶν καὶ Λῆμνόν ποτε καὶ Ἀθήνας Τυρσηνῶν). Although both Strabo and Herodotus[26] agree that Tyrrhenus / Tyrsenos, son of Atys, king of Lydia, led the migration, Strabo[25] specifies that it was the Pelasgians of Lemnos and Imbros who followed Tyrrhenus to the Italian Peninsula. A link between Lemnos and the Tyrrhenians was further manifested by the discovery of the Lemnos Stele, whose inscriptions were written in a language which shows strong structural resemblances to the language of the Etruscans.[27] This has led to the suggestion of a "Tyrrhenian language group" comprising Etruscan, Lemnian, and the Raetic spoken in the Alps.

    According to another source a group of Greek traders from Euboea (Evvoia) went to Campania on 770 BC where they settled at Ischia and in Cumae and traded with local people. Over time, these Greeks were assimilated into these local people.[28]

    Hellanicus of Lesbos records a Pelasgian migration from Thessaly to the Italian peninsula, noting that "the Pelasgi made themselves masters of some of the lands belonging to the Umbri".[29]

    Etruscan League

    According to legend,[41] there was a period between 600 BC and 500 BC in which an alliance was formed among twelve Etruscan settlements, known today as the Etruscan League, Etruscan Federation, or Dodecapolis (in Greek Δωδεκάπολις). The league was mostly an economic and religious league, or a loose confederation, similar to the Greek states.

    Religion

    The Greek heroes taken from Homer also appear extensively in art motifs.

    Architecture

    Relatively little is known about the architecture of the ancient Etruscans. They adapted the native Italic styles with influence from the external appearance of Greek architecture.

    Ancient Roman architecture began with Etruscan styles, and then accepted still further Greek influence.

    Art

    Bucchero wares in black were the early and native styles of fine Etruscan pottery. There was also a tradition of elaborate Etruscan vase painting, which sprung from its Greek equivalent; the Etruscans were the main export market for Greek vases.

    Literature

    Etruscan texts, written in a space of seven centuries, use a form of the Greek alphabet due to close contact between the Etruscans and the Greek colonies at Pithecusae and Cumae in the 8th century BC (until it was no longer used, at the beginning of the 1st century AD).

    Etruscan imaginative literature is evidenced only in references by later Roman authors, but it is evident from their visual art that the Greek myths were well-known

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization


    Etruscan alphabet

    The Etruscan alphabet apparently derives from the Western Greek alphabet used in the Greek colonies in southern Italy. Several Old Italic scripts, including the Latin alphabet, derived from it (or simultaneously with it).

    The Etruscan alphabet apparently originated as an adaptation of the Western Greek alphabet used by the Euboean Greeks in their first colonies in Italy, the island of Pithekoussai and the city of Cumae in Campania.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_alphabet








    Etruscan Bronze Warrior

    Etruscan warfare seems to have initially followed Greek principles and the use of hoplites – wearing a bronze breastplate, Corinthian helmet, greaves for the legs, and a large circular shield – deployed in the static phalanx formation,


    Etruscan Temple Model

    https://www.ancient.eu/Etruscan_Civilization/
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    This forum is giving me cancer: someone comparing Iberians with Indians; Spanish user trying to troll Italians; An Italian diminishing the influence of the Greeks on the history of Italy and the world...
    "Moderation in all things healthful; total abstinence from all things harmful."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazio View Post
    This forum is giving me cancer: someone comparing Iberians with Indians; Spanish user trying to troll Italians; An Italian diminishing the influence of the Greeks on the history of Italy and the world...
    What gives me cancer are your lies. I'm not comparing people. This thread is about cultural influences: dance, music, costumes and customs. Read it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    Vikings? OH YEAH, those barbarians without any civilization. Dont mix civilization WITH CULTURE.

    Viking culture is not considered as civilization in any historical of archaeological book.

    So question of this thread is retard for 2 main reasons:

    1st. There wouldn't be any north european culture without south european culture.

    2nd. Non-european mediterraneans (along with north europeans) WERE FUCKING SLAVES FOR SUPERIOR SOUTH EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION FOR 1000 YEARS, with whom south europeans do not share any fucking thing culturally, not from civilizational or religious or any other fucking way.


    ATLANTO, ALPINE & DINARICS people are elite people and branch of all white people.

    We created this European civilization, we are holding it togethar, we are the ones who will lead the defence of it, you all others are more or less sheeps who will go without any fight, Nordic and Gracile Med Europeans ARE WEAK people of white race, you are people from whom I dont expect anything except to be what you are; non-creative apes who are taking advantage of everything what Atlanto-Alpine & Dinaric people created on this continent for white people. But it's ok, we like you never the less.
    I think you should seek mental treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deneb View Post
    What gives me cancer are your lies. I'm not comparing people. This thread is about cultural influences: dance, music, costumes and customs. Read it again.
    You get ofended so easily like moors.

    That´s the reason why in Italy exists "Vendetta"

    Very African hate and resentment

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    The title of this hilarious thread is "Are Mediterraean Europeans culturally closer to Mediterranean non-Europeans or to Northern Europeans".

    Lol, the OP calls Middle Easterners and North Africans "non European Mediterraneans", when Nordics themselves are depigmented Mediterraneans according to racial anthropology. In fact mutated and altered mainly by adaptation in the northern climate.

    It is Northerners who culturally are close to South Europeans, as their civilization has roots in Greece, Rome and Byzantium. Time Northerners stop having such complexes and accept that almost everything they have and what they are right now they owe it to us Southerners.

    By trying to attack, slander, offend and disconnect from Europe Southern Europe you just shows that you haven't change much than your barbarian ancestors and as always you suffer from cultural complexes.

    Friedrich Nietzsche about the Greeks:

    "Proven in every period of its development, the western European culture has tried to rid himself of the Greeks. This work is imbued with deep disappointment, because whatever we create, seemingly original and worthy of admiration, lose color and life in comparison with the Greek mode, came to resemble a cheap copy, a caricature.
    So again and again soaked in a rage erupts hatred against the Greeks, against this small and arrogant nation, who had the nerve to call it barbaric whatever that had not been established in its territory ...
    None of the recurrent enemies had the fortune to discover the hemlock, which could for ever be rid of them. All poisons of envy, of hubris, hatred, have been insufficient to disturb the great beauty.

    Thus, people continue to feel shame and fear of the Greeks. Of course, occasionally, someone appears to recognize intact truth, truth which teaches that the Greeks are the charioteers of any upcoming culture and almost always as the chariots and horses of the upcoming cultures is very low quality compared to the charioteer, who eventually work out driving his chariot into the abyss, which are beyond the Achilles 'Leap'."


    Greece was, is and shall always be over all, even if so many try to destroy Greece than to revive its unsurpassed Glory.

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    They're culturally and linguistically close to Europeans. You have to remember that the Etruscans, for example, culturally developed in Europe with said Moorish invasions centuries later. However, none of this massively changed the cultural roots.

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    Southern Europeans are still Westerners. IMO, it is Eastern Europeans that have much more in common with Non-European Meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    The title of this hilarious thread is "Are Mediterraean Europeans culturally closer to Mediterranean non-Europeans or to Northern Europeans".

    Lol, the OP calls Middle Easterners and North Africans "non European Mediterraneans", when Nordics themselves are depigmented Mediterraneans according to racial anthropology. In fact mutated and altered mainly by adaptation in the northern climate.
    Who the fuck is nordic ? Dutch/Germans and Brits are not nordic. Token is not nordic strictly speaking anthropometrically his skull is not Hallstatt nordic most likely.

    It is Northerners who culturally are close to South Europeans, as their civilization has roots in Greece, Rome and Byzantium. Time Northerners stop having such complexes and accept that almost everything they have and what they are right now they owe it to us Southerners.

    By trying to attack, slander, offend and disconnect from Europe Southern Europe you just shows that you haven't change much than your barbarian ancestors and as always you suffer from cultural complexes.
    Britain has more in common with Australia and New Zealand etc.. than Europe


    Friedrich Nietzsche about the Greeks:

    "Proven in every period of its development, the western European culture has tried to rid himself of the Greeks. This work is imbued with deep disappointment, because whatever we create, seemingly original and worthy of admiration, lose color and life in comparison with the Greek mode, came to resemble a cheap copy, a caricature.
    So again and again soaked in a rage erupts hatred against the Greeks, against this small and arrogant nation, who had the nerve to call it barbaric whatever that had not been established in its territory ...
    None of the recurrent enemies had the fortune to discover the hemlock, which could for ever be rid of them. All poisons of envy, of hubris, hatred, have been insufficient to disturb the great beauty.

    Thus, people continue to feel shame and fear of the Greeks. Of course, occasionally, someone appears to recognize intact truth, truth which teaches that the Greeks are the charioteers of any upcoming culture and almost always as the chariots and horses of the upcoming cultures is very low quality compared to the charioteer, who eventually work out driving his chariot into the abyss, which are beyond the Achilles 'Leap'."


    Greece was, is and shall always be over all, even if so many try to destroy Greece than to revive its unsurpassed Glory.

    Fuck Nietzsche he sounds like he doesn't know how to seperate poetry from philosophy prose. Both Nietzsche and Hegel had no idea how to write lucidly (un)like Schopenhauer.

    Greeks invent Democracy then forget how to use it. Anglo-Saxon countries perfected Democracy. Nietzsche is the opposite of Democratic it seems.
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    Corporate Democracy is not a democracy.

    Those who promise largess from the plublic treasury wins this is the democracy the anglo saxons have won the world over. Money over people is an example in everyday anglo saxon type culture

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