Georgian youth protest against 'pro-russian' government(pics)

[JosephK]

I don't understand what they're protesting about. Do they want another disaster government like what they had with Saakashvili???

This is probably funded and instigated by the CIA.

Yeah, oddly enough these photos don't show any of the US flags. I'm not kidding. When you watch international news coverage you'll see the crowd waving American flags...

[Mamberi]

Georgian id is strong .respect and support.

[klarji]

Svan guerrilla troops commander and Dali valley elder defending the valley from Abkhazian and Russian armies



Here in the Caucasus nobody believes in Russian fairy-tales
They always fairy-tale how they want
They say Ossetian people is fighting (with Russian soldiers behind them)
But no word about Ingushi people, Georgian people, Svani people, Chechen people that they genocided when they really broke away in their own Chechenya

[klarji]

thats the whole history of "South Ossetia"

Medieval and early modern period
The territory of contemporary South Ossetia was part of the kingdom of Iberia, the latter was unified under the single Georgian monarchy in 11th-century, extending its possessions up to Dvaleti.

The Ossetians are believed to originate from the Alans, an Iranian tribe.[23] In the 8th century a consolidated Alan kingdom, referred to in sources of the period as Alania, emerged in the northern Caucasus Mountains. Around 1239–1277 Alania fell to the Mongol and later to the Timur's armies, that massacred much of the Alanian population. The survivors among the Alans retreated into the mountains of the central Caucasus and gradually started migration to the south.

In 1299, Gori was captured by the Alan tribesmen fleeing the Mongol conquest of their original homeland in the North Caucasus. The Georgian king George V recovered the town in 1320, pushing the Alans back over the Caucasus mountains.

In the 17th century, by pressure of Kabardian princes, Ossetians started a second wave of migration from the North Caucasus to Georgia.[24] Ossetian peasants, who were migrating to the mountainous areas of the South Caucasus, often settled in the lands of Georgian feudal lords.[25] The Georgian King of the Kingdom of Kartli permitted Ossetians to immigrate.[26] According to Russian ambassador to Georgia Mikhail Tatishchev, at the beginning of the 17th century there was already a small group of Ossetians living near the headwaters of the Greater Liakhvi River.[26][27] In the 1770s there were more Ossetians living in Kartli than ever before. This period has been documented in the travel diaries of Johann Anton Güldenstädt who visited Georgia in 1772. The Baltic German explorer called modern North Ossetia simply Ossetia, while he wrote that Kartli (the areas of modern-day South Ossetia) was populated by Georgians and the mountainous areas were populated by both Georgians and Ossetians.[28] Güldenstädt also wrote that the northernmost border of Kartli is the Major Caucasus Ridge.[29][30][31] By the end of 18th century, the ultimate sites of Ossetian settlement on the territory of modern South Ossetia were in Kudaro (Jejora river estuary), Greater Liakhvi gorge, the gorge of Little Liakhvi, Ksani River gorge, Guda (Tetri Aragvi estuary) and Truso (Terek estuary).[32]

The Georgian Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti, part of which was the major territory of modern South Ossetia, was annexed by the Russian Empire in 1801. Ossetian migration to Georgian areas continued in the 19th and 20th centuries, when Georgia was part of the Russian Empire and Ossetian settlements in Trialeti, Borjomi, Bakuriani and Kakheti emerged as well.[32]

South Ossetia as a part of the Soviet Union
Following the Russian revolution,[33] the area of modern South Ossetia became part of the Democratic Republic of Georgia.[34] In 1918, conflict began between the landless Ossetian peasants living in Shida Kartli (Interior Georgia), who were influenced by Bolshevism and demanded ownership of the lands they worked, and the Menshevik government backed ethnic Georgian aristocrats, who were legal owners. Although the Ossetians were initially discontented with the economic policies of the central government, the tension soon transformed into ethnic conflict.[34] The first Ossetian rebellion began in February 1918, when three Georgian princes were killed and their land was seized by the Ossetians. The central government of Tiflis retaliated by sending the National Guard to the area. However, the Georgian unit retreated after they had engaged the Ossetians.[35] Ossetian rebels then proceeded to occupy the town of Tskhinvali and began attacking the ethnic Georgian civilian population. During uprisings in 1919 and 1920, the Ossetians were covertly supported by Soviet Russia, but even so, were defeated.[34] According to allegations made by Ossetian sources, the crushing of the 1920 uprising caused the death of 5,000 Ossetians, while ensuing hunger and epidemics were the causes of death of more than 13,000 people.[15]

The Soviet Georgian government, established after the Red Army invasion of Georgia in 1921, created an autonomous administrative unit for Transcaucasian Ossetians in April 1922 under pressure from Kavbiuro (the Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the Russian Communist Party), called the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast (AO).[36] Some believe that the Bolsheviks granted this autonomy to the Ossetians in exchange for their help in fighting the Democratic Republic of Georgia and favoring local separatists, since this area had never been a separate entity prior to the Russian invasion.[37] The drawing of administrative boundaries of the South Ossetian AO was quite a complicated process. Many Georgian villages were included within the South Ossetian AO despite numerous protests by the Georgian population. While the city of Tskhinvali did not have a majority Ossetian population, it was made the capital of the South Ossetian AO.[36][38] In addition to parts of Gori Uyezd and Dusheti Uyezd of Tiflis Governorate, parts of Racha Uyezd of Kutaisi Governorate (western Georgia) were also included within the South Ossetian AO. All these territories historically had been indigenous Georgian lands.[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetia#History

and thats the history of Prigorodniy District

The eastern part of Prigorodny District used to be a part of Ingushetia (which was a part of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR at the time), but it was transferred to North Ossetia in 1944 after Stalin accused the Ingush of collaborating with the Nazis, deported the entire population to Central Asia, and dissolved the autonomy. This led to the present-day tensions, which started after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prigor...E2%80%93Alania

all these conflicts are prepared by Russia with their territorial and ethnical changes on conquered lands between neighbour peoples - divide and rule


its funny about Russians are defending Ossetians or anybody
they made Ossetian people hated by every neighbour from every side

Circassians also are waiting to recreate Circassia

It was established in 1763 as a Russian fort at the site of a Kabardian village founded four years earlier, settling the families of the Volga Cossacks in stanitsas around it.[2] Hundreds of Kabardians followed, fleeing their feudal lords from the neighboring areas into the Russian territory. In 1764, the Kabardian leaders' request to the Russian government that the fortress be destroyed went unanswered. In the years that followed, the Kabardians tried to besiege the town, but they were eventually compelled to retreat. With the foundation of Mozdok, Russian authorities encouraged Ossetians, Georgians, Armenians, and other Christians to populate the town. It soon emerged as a key Russian military outpost linked to Kizlyar with a fortified line as well as the center of local trade, ethnic diversity, and Russian-Caucasian interchange. In 1789, 55.6% of its population was Armenian and Georgian. Ossetian settlement particularly increased in the 1820s when the Russian commander Yermolov began removing Kabardians from the area of the Georgian Military Road and settling Ossetians there.[2]

Ossetians now are surrounded by Caucasians who are waiting when the empire falls to take back what the empire gave to Ossetians after cleansing of locals. And who believes that this fucking empire is defending Ossetians. They made Ossetians to be "saved" by Russian soldiers.

[Not a Cop]

thats the whole history of "South Ossetia"

Yeah, somehow only after the fall of Soviet Union all thoose conflict rose up, in Transnistria, Karabakh, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Central Asia, all that is deed of Russians, but somehow happened exactly after the Russians left.

[unseen]

Russia performed ethnic cleansing of Georgian and Ingushian population in "South Ossetia" and Prigorodniy region of Ingushetia (Modern "North" Ossetia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic..._South_Ossetia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_P...hnic_cleansing

and ethnic cleansing of Svan and Mingrelian population in Abkhazia AR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic...ns_in_Abkhazia

So, yeah... Georgians as well majority of Caucasian peoples hate Russia

Russian Foreign Ministry Comments on the Publication of the Tagliavini Commission Report

30 September 2009 - 18:09

Spoiler!

Moscow has awaited with interest the publication of the report of the EU's Commission on the causes and culprits of the conflict in August 2008. We expected that the abundance of facts and evidence before the Commission would clearly indicate those bearing full responsibility for the tragedy and, thereby, prevent the recurrence of such criminal acts in the future.

As is known, Russia did not participate in the creation of this Commission in December last year. Nevertheless, we responded to the Commission's inquiries in a serious and responsible manner. Its head, Heidi Tagliavini, has long been known in Russia as an authoritative Swiss diplomat capable of independent assessments and conclusions. Numerous documents on military, legal and humanitarian aspects of last year's tragedy were transmitted by us to the Commission's members and experts. Official representatives of competent Russian ministries and departments repeatedly met with Ms. Tagliavini and her team, and provided them with detailed explanations of the nature and sequence of the August events.

Paying tribute to the transparent form of presentation of the report and to the simultaneous acquaintance of most of the concerned parties with its contents, we expect that the authors will find a suitable formula for its transmission to the representatives of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the more so as they participate on an equal basis in the Geneva Discussions on Transcaucasia and are quite open to international contacts.

In our opinion, the efforts of the EU's Commission have not been wasted – from the report published on September 30, any sane person would come to the core conclusion that the aggression against South Ossetia on the night of August 7-8, 2008 was unleashed by the current leadership of Georgia. Ultimately, it is the main outcome of the work of the "Tagliavini Commission." Indeed, it is difficult to imagine otherwise, if one recalls the content of Order No. 02 to the chief of staff of the 4th infantry brigade of Georgia's armed forces: "The task force shall carry out a combat operation in the Samachablo (South Ossetia) region and rout the enemy within 72 hours. Georgia's jurisdiction shall be restored in the region."

It is also important that the published document clearly points at the states which armed and trained the Georgian army.

However, the report contains a number of ambiguities. In particular, its section alleging a disproportional use of force by the Russian side raises big questions. Yet in the same report one can easily find arguments that show the artificial nature of such reasoning. Let us only note the remarkable finding of German law professor Otto Luchterhandt, who participated on the "Tagliavini Commission" as an independent expert, that "Russia can justify its military operation against Georgia by the right of self-defense (Article 51, UN Charter) and by the right of collective self-defense, along with South Ossetia, against Georgia's armed attack." Comments, as they say, are superfluous. As to the thesis of "disproportionality," the Russian side used force to neutralize those positions on Georgian territory that were being used for the attack on South Ossetia.

In any case, the report of the EU's Commission gives additional food for thought over the risk of counting on the use of force to resolve conflicts and shows how such adventures lead to a breakdown in the territorial integrity of states and to the exacerbation of international tension in general.

From the lessons of the past one ought to be able to draw correct conclusions. A year after Georgia's aggression South Ossetia and Abkhazia are looking confidently to the future. With the support of friends the new republics are engaged in the construction of their own statehood, predicated on the principles of democracy and human rights and on respect for the universally recognized norms of international law. Russia's recognition of these two states must be perceived through this prism.

It is important that the international community should not once again miss the opportunity to take a close look at the findings contained in the report of the EU's Commission. Some vague and ambiguous language there, we understand, reflects the still lingering politicized approaches of many EU countries to the events of August 2008 and their consequences. However that cannot overshadow the main conclusion of the report about Tbilisi's guilt for unleashing an aggression against peaceful South Ossetia and the complete illegitimacy of Georgia's actions.



The source of information

The Tagliavini Commission Report - https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/H...nnexes_ENG.pdf

There are such words in it (page 11):

"The shelling of Tskhinvali by the Georgian armed forces during the night of 7 to 8 August 2008 marked the beginning of the large-scale armed conflict in Georgia, yet it was only the culminating point of a long period of increasing tensions, provocations and incidents."

[user_]

This is the end of Russians soft power in Georgia. Putin tried everything, war, occupation, economic sanctions, that did not gave results, then he tried soft power by opening market for georgian goods, sending millions of Russian tourists and investing in georgian economy, but still Georgians do not see themselves under Russians influence.

I think that we finally said big NO to USSR reincarnation. Most of the Georgian population is western orientated. More than 80% of population supports EU and NATO integration.

[klarji]

The 2006 deportation of Georgians from Russia refers to the deaths, unlawful arrests, expulsions and overall mistreatment of several thousand ethnic Georgians by the Russian government during the 2006 Georgian–Russian espionage controversy.[1] The official Russian position was that Georgians in question violated the Russian immigration law and that their expulsion and treatment in custody was just standard law enforcement.[1] The Georgian government countered that Russia's concerted actions against ethnic Georgians, including properly documented individuals, was an act of political retribution for the arrest of Russian spies and was tantamount to "mild form of ethnic cleansing".[2] Georgian claims were supported by the Human Rights Watch, which documented "the Russian government's arbitrary and illegal detention and expulsion of Georgians, including many who legally lived and worked in Russia..."[3] Georgia subsequently sued the Russian Government in the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006...ns_from_Russia

[Armenian Bishop]

Yeah, somehow only after the fall of Soviet Union all thoose conflict rose up, in Transnistria, Karabakh, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Central Asia, all that is deed of Russians, but somehow happened exactly after the Russians left.

Just for the record: The Karabakh War (1988-1994) already started several years before the USSR collapsed, in 1991. Gorbachev mismanaged the situation, and blundered badly about it; consequently, it erupted into a war, early in 1988. But by 1992, Yeltsin's Russia reversed the errors of his predecessor, and did much to improve the situation.

[FinalFlash]

Yeah, somehow only after the fall of Soviet Union all thoose conflict rose up, in Transnistria, Karabakh, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Central Asia, all that is deed of Russians, but somehow happened exactly after the Russians left.

Problems created by Soviet bolshevik yobani yevrey.