I8215 and I8206 - ancient Greek and ancient Gaul from Empuries colony

[Vid Flumina]

That Gaul was very "northern", which gives support to my hypothesis that modern Central French people have Roman/Italian admixture.

He's in the same range as modern Bretons, but with some South Asian admixture (no idea if contaminated or poor coverage) pulling him SE:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.88
2 Atlantic 22.88
3 West_Med 11.55
4 Baltic 10.42
5 Eastern_Euro 7.77
6 South_Asian 4.66
7 West_Asian 2.82
8 Oceanian 1.21
9 East_Med 0.86
10 Sub-Saharan 0.61
11 Siberian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 6.85
2 West_German 6.86
3 North_Dutch 7.39
4 Norwegian 7.69
5 Southeast_English 7.85
6 Orcadian 7.88
7 Danish 8.05
8 West_Norwegian 8.77
9 South_Dutch 8.81
10 West_Scottish 8.9
11 Irish 8.92
12 Swedish 8.96
13 North_German 9.02
14 French 11.34
15 North_Swedish 11.53
16 East_German 13.01
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.76
18 Hungarian 16.89
19 Austrian 17.91
20 Spanish_Galicia 18.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% Norwegian + 25.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.04
2 88.7% Norwegian + 11.3% Sardinian @ 5.04
3 86.5% West_Norwegian + 13.5% Sardinian @ 5.12
4 71% West_Norwegian + 29% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.15
5 77.1% Norwegian + 22.9% Portuguese @ 5.24
6 64.2% Norwegian + 35.8% French @ 5.29
7 79.1% Norwegian + 20.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.34
8 73.2% West_Norwegian + 26.8% Portuguese @ 5.38
9 57.5% West_German + 42.5% Orcadian @ 5.39
10 77% Norwegian + 23% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.41
11 59.1% West_Norwegian + 40.9% French @ 5.41
12 94.5% Southwest_English + 5.5% Kol @ 5.41
13 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Sakilli @ 5.43
14 79.2% Norwegian + 20.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.44
15 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Chamar @ 5.44
16 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% Dusadh @ 5.44
17 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% Chenchu @ 5.45
18 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% North_Kannadi @ 5.45
19 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% Piramalai @ 5.46
20 78.4% Norwegian + 21.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.48

[Peterski]

with some South Asian admixture (no idea if contaminated or poor coverage)

Coverage is good, more likely it is some minor DNA damage.

I will remove South Asian and extrapolate the rest to 100%.

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K15 if you remove South Asian, SSA, Oceanian and extrapolate to 100%:

Population
North_Sea 39.44
Atlantic 24.47
Baltic 11.14
Eastern_Euro 8.31
West_Med 12.35
West_Asian 3.02
East_Med 0.92
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0.36
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

[Tacitus]

Was thos guy fully Greek or mixed with Iberians? And what's his Y lineage?

Probably fully Greek. In K36 she's very, very close to Myceaneans:
1,300 BC - Mycenaean - I9006 88
1,500 BC - Mycenaean - I9041 86

[Peterski]

K15 if you remove South Asian, SSA, Oceanian and extrapolate to 100%:

Population
North_Sea 39.44
Atlantic 24.47
Baltic 11.14
Eastern_Euro 8.31
West_Med 12.35
West_Asian 3.02
East_Med 0.92
Red_Sea 0
South_Asian 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Siberian 0.36
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

^^^
Basically modern Scottish or Irish (after removing South Asian, SSA and Oceanian noise):



Well, maybe it was some Insular Celt captured by Pytheas of Massalia? Who knows...

Check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pytheas#Voyage_to_Britain

But his Y-DNA is R1b-U152 (not Insular R1b-L21) which suggests a continental Celt.

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Check also this map: https://i.redd.it/y3akpsjso6gz.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...es_of_western/

Spoiler!

"Volcae Tectosages" and "Volcae Arecomici" were Gauls?

[Vid Flumina]

^^^
Basically modern Scottish or Irish (after removing South Asian, SSA and Oceanian noise):

I don't know about that.. based on the samples we have I expect something like a EEF-shifted Iron Age Briton, still relatively close though like modern Bretons and Normands from Cotentin.

Probably fully Greek. In K36 she's very, very close to Myceaneans:
1,300 BC - Mycenaean - I9006 88
1,500 BC - Mycenaean - I9041 86

They remained the same population throughout the Bronze and Iron Age:


Mycenaean I9041
Population
North_Sea 6.11 Pct
Atlantic 18.49 Pct
Baltic 0.67 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 26.43 Pct
West_Asian 11.26 Pct
East_Med 31.50 Pct
Red_Sea 4.10 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.10 Pct
Siberian 0.91 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.45 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

I8215 Empuries Greek
Population
North_Sea 5.44 Pct
Atlantic 19.73 Pct
Baltic 0.92 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 26.49 Pct
West_Asian 10.60 Pct
East_Med 31.77 Pct
Red_Sea 4.97 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.08 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Peterski]

Do you have GEDmatch kits of Normands from Cotentin?

[Voskos]

Can someone post Dodecad k12b? Thanks in advance.

[Thracian]

Can someone post Dodecad k12b? Thanks in advance.

Kit FM5677291

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.05
2 Atlantic_Med 35.23
3 Southwest_Asian 11.48
4 North_European 9.17
5 Northwest_African 3.49
6 Gedrosia 2.2
7 Sub_Saharan 0.33
8 Southeast_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.1
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.66
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.73
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 9.81
5 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.41
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.58
7 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 12.48
8 Greek (Dodecad) 12.58
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.66
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.98
11 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.46
12 Cypriots (Behar) 18.82
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.64
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 20.92
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.81
16 Lebanese (Behar) 26.67
17 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 27.04
18 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 27.39
19 Turks (Behar) 27.71
20 Druze (HGDP) 27.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 20.9% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 3.11
2 80.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 19.6% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 3.46
3 88.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.4% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 3.72
4 88% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 12% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 4.25
5 62.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 37.9% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.09
6 66% Cypriots (Behar) + 34% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 5.12
7 65.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.4% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 5.2
8 73.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 26.2% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 5.31
9 65.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.1% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 5.35
10 72.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 27.3% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 5.49
11 95.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 4.8% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 5.54
12 64.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 35.6% Spaniards (Behar) @ 5.58
13 65.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.8% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 5.59
14 61% Cypriots (Behar) + 39% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.6
15 62.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 37.8% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.6
16 64% Cypriots (Behar) + 36% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 5.7
17 96% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 4% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 5.77
18 65.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.9% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 5.78
19 94.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 5.8% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.82
20 95.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 4.7% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 5.85

[Lemgrant]

Can someone post Dodecad k12b? Thanks in advance.

Population
Gedrosia 2.20 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.49 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 35.23 Pct
North_European 9.17 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.48 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 38.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.33 Pct

 dodecad_k12b_updated(c(2.20,0,3.49,0.06,35.23,9.17,0,0,11.48,0,38.05,0.33),k=60)
      [,1]                     [,2]     
 [1,] "S_Italian_Sicilian"     "6.8052" 
 [2,] "C_Italian"              "10.6949"
 [3,] "Ashkenazy_Jews"         "10.8035"
 [4,] "Sephardic_Jews"         "11.3396"
 [5,] "Morocco_Jews"           "13.4613"
 [6,] "Tuscan"                 "13.8842"
 [7,] "Greek_Crete"            "13.8947"
 [8,] "TSI30"                  "15.3898"
 [9,] "Greek_Peloponnese"      "18.0703"
[10,] "Greek_Cyprus"           "18.9"   
[11,] "Greek_Thessaly"         "20.0262"
[12,] "Cypriots"               "20.4914"
[13,] "Crimean_Tatar_Coast"    "20.6044"
[14,] "Greek_Cappadocia"       "21.8201"
[15,] "Albanian"               "22.1688"
[16,] "Turk_Thrace"            "22.7199"
[17,] "North_Italian"          "22.8396"
[18,] "Nusayri_Turkey"         "24.4851"
[19,] "Crimean_Tatar_Mountain" "25.3303"
[20,] "Gagauz"                 "26.6083"
[21,] "Turk_Anatolia"          "26.7097"
[22,] "Turkish"                "26.7201"
[23,] "Turk_Bulgaria"          "27.0545"
[24,] "Bulgarian"              "28.364" 
[25,] "Lebanese"               "28.5638"
[26,] "Macedonian"             "29.18"  
[27,] "Turks"                  "29.8197"
[28,] "Druze"                  "29.9906"
[29,] "Pomak"                  "30.1423"
[30,] "Romanians"              "30.3808"
[31,] "Armenian_West"          "30.5336"
[32,] "Syrians"                "31.1738"
[33,] "Greek_Pontus"           "31.6373"
[34,] "Baleares"               "31.7562"
[35,] "Jordanians"             "31.9505"
[36,] "Armenian_East"          "32.0943"
[37,] "Azerbaijani_Turkey"     "32.4529"
[38,] "Azerbaijani"            "32.6628"
[39,] "Canarias"               "32.6989"
[40,] "Palestinian"            "32.9319"
[41,] "Andalucia"              "33.2985"
[42,] "Murcia"                 "33.3868"
[43,] "Galicia"                "33.8722"
[44,] "Azerbaijani_Iran"       "34.0115"
[45,] "Turkmen_Iraq"           "34.0717"
[46,] "Extremadura"            "34.145" 
[47,] "Serbian"                "34.4682"
[48,] "Assyrian"               "34.6342"
[49,] "Portuguese"             "34.6844"
[50,] "Romani"                 "34.8681"
[51,] "Zaza"                   "34.9164"
[52,] "Uzbekistan_Jews"        "34.9402"
[53,] "Samaritans"             "35.1153"
[54,] "Iraq_Jews"              "35.5534"
[55,] "Azerbaijan_Jews"        "35.6729"
[56,] "Karachay"               "35.7648"
[57,] "Georgia_Jews"           "35.8099"
[58,] "Castilla_Y_Leon"        "35.887" 
[59,] "Turk_Ahiska"            "36.0362"
[60,] "Laz"                    "36.0627"

 [1,] "79.9% Ashkenazy_Jews + 20.1% Sardinian"             "3.5608"
 [2,] "88.5% S_Italian_Sicilian + 11.5% Sardinian"         "4.3242"
 [3,] "37.5% Andalucia + 62.5% Cypriots"                   "5.5618"
 [4,] "33.7% Aragon + 66.3% Cypriots"                      "5.5837"
 [5,] "23.9% Sardinian + 76.1% Greek_Crete"                "5.625" 
 [6,] "65.9% Cypriots + 34.1% Valencia"                    "5.6749"
 [7,] "73.9% Cypriots + 26.1% French_Basque"               "5.7871"
 [8,] "33.7% Cantabria + 66.3% Cypriots"                   "5.8309"
 [9,] "72.9% Cypriots + 27.1% Pais_Vasco"                  "5.9823"
[10,] "38.6% Baleares + 61.4% Cypriots"                    "6.0912"
[11,] "34.4% Castilla_La_Mancha + 65.6% Cypriots"          "6.0923"
[12,] "62.7% Cypriots + 37.3% Murcia"                      "6.1116"
[13,] "65.1% Cypriots + 34.9% Spaniards"                   "6.1737"
[14,] "35.6% Castilla_Y_Leon + 64.4% Cypriots"             "6.2032"
[15,] "4.5% French_Basque + 95.5% S_Italian_Sicilian"      "6.2835"
[16,] "56.9% Sephardic_Jews + 43.1% Tuscan"                "6.4676"
[17,] "3.6% Pais_Vasco + 96.4% S_Italian_Sicilian"         "6.5076"
[18,] "5.6% Andalucia + 94.4% S_Italian_Sicilian"          "6.5238"
[19,] "4.4% Aragon + 95.6% S_Italian_Sicilian"             "6.5674"
[20,] "95.6% S_Italian_Sicilian + 4.4% Valencia"           "6.5828"
[21,] "4.1% Castilla_La_Mancha + 95.9% S_Italian_Sicilian" "6.6179"
[22,] "3.9% Cantabria + 96.1% S_Italian_Sicilian"          "6.6251"
[23,] "4.5% Murcia + 95.5% S_Italian_Sicilian"             "6.6252"
[24,] "96.3% S_Italian_Sicilian + 3.7% Spaniards"          "6.6609"
[25,] "4.2% Baleares + 95.8% S_Italian_Sicilian"           "6.6657"
[26,] "90.2% S_Italian_Sicilian + 9.8% Tuscan"             "6.674" 
[27,] "3.6% Castilla_Y_Leon + 96.4% S_Italian_Sicilian"    "6.6745"
[28,] "3.7% Canarias + 96.3% S_Italian_Sicilian"           "6.6959"
[29,] "92.1% S_Italian_Sicilian + 7.9% TSI30"              "6.7008"
[30,] "2.6% Cataluna + 97.4% S_Italian_Sicilian"           "6.7298"
[31,] "2.7% Galicia + 97.3% S_Italian_Sicilian"            "6.7435"
[32,] "4% North_Italian + 96% S_Italian_Sicilian"          "6.7446"
[33,] "9.7% C_Italian + 90.3% S_Italian_Sicilian"          "6.7466"
[34,] "2.5% Extremadura + 97.5% S_Italian_Sicilian"        "6.749" 
[35,] "2.2% Portuguese + 97.8% S_Italian_Sicilian"         "6.7606"
[36,] "60.3% Sephardic_Jews + 39.7% TSI30"                 "6.7868"
[37,] "S_Italian_Sicilian"                                 "6.8052"

[Lemgrant]

I'm using this in R: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5966298