Europe's Earliest Battle? - The Mystery of the Tollense Valley // Ancient History Documentary

[PaleoEuropean]

This. Fight between 2 very advanced tribes.

Yea their weaponry is really well made and it looks like it was a bloodbath, these guys were professionals.

[Token]

Germanics, maybe. But Slavs ? Those wouldn't appear in Europe until over a millennium later:

They were restricted to a small area around Western Ukraine/Eastern Poland and Balto-Slavs still didn't split at the time. Evidence of this is the strong genetic drift (what we call Balto-Slavic drift today) in modern-day Balto-Savs due to reproductive isolation.

[Dick]

This. Fight between 2 very advanced tribes.

The winning side was more advanced with better weapons and on horseback.

[The Lawspeaker]

They were restricted to a small area around Western Ukraine/Eastern Poland and Balto-Slavs still didn't split at the time. Evidence of this is the strong genetic drift (what we call Balto-Slavic drift today) in modern-day Balto-Savs due to reproductive isolation.

In 1250 BC ? The map proves you wrong.

[Token]

In 1250 BC ? The map proves you wrong.

'This map' shows nothing at all.

[Ayetooey]

In 1250 BC ? The map proves you wrong.

I can tell that map is off straight away, because there's slavic cultures like the Zarubintsy culture which date back to 300 BC. 400-500 AD is more accurate for mass slavic expansionism, where individual tribes spread and formed the early basis of nations, but not for the proto slavic ethnogenesis which was much much earlier.

[The Lawspeaker]

'This map' shows nothing at all.

Next you'll be telling us that the Romans faced the Red Coats.

[The Lawspeaker]

I can tell that map is off straight away, because there's slavic cultures like the Zarubintsy culture which date back to 300 BC. 400-500 AD is more accurate for mass slavic expansionism, where individual tribes spread and formed the early basis of nations, but not for the proto slavic ethnogenesis which was much much earlier.

But clearly never that far West. Do you guys even know where Tollense is ?

[War Chef]

The radiocarbon dating of the Tollense remains coincides with the Nordic Bronze Age, so Germanics and Balto-Salvs were already well established and well separated. Culturally, geographically and, most importantly, genetically.

There is a thread here somewhere, with a PCA plot that shows they were genetically two distinct people, essentially eastern vs. western Europeans.

[Token]

There is a thread here somewhere, with a PCA plot that shows they were genetically two distinct people, essentially eastern vs. western Europeans.

This is what Mr. Lawspeaker refuses to understand, for some obscure reason.