22 % of white anglosaxon americans learned that they had S.S.African DNA..

**~~Black Panther~~** · 07-18-2019, 11:07 PM

No surprise. That's why so many White Americans voted for Obama in the 2008 and 2012 elections. Having a few drops of African blood may have a deep rooted invisible psychological effect on a person.

**Duffmannn** · 07-19-2019, 06:53 AM

I want to point something, don´t know the exact case of Germany.

But in Spain the region with most inmigrants by far, Madrid, performs the best only after Castilla y León.

Most of those inmigrants come from Latin America (Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, Venezuela) and in minor amounts from Romania and Morocco.

Way better than all european countries in middle term, taking into account zones with and without inmigrants on them, except in mathematics.

If there would´t be inmigrants in Madrid. Which results could obtain? More than asian countries?

PD: There are also many inmigrants in Lombardy or other north-Italy regions.

**savvas** · 07-21-2019, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

I mean, I could go on posting these all day, meanwhile all you have is one year of PISA

https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/im...rdInt_math.gif

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/twelfth/images/tblA503.gif

(by far the largest N IQ studies done in northern Europe, other than one in Ireland which had 10k, and all old people so you know it's nearly all native, study was released after I made that IQ database and I wouldn't include it anyway because of the age difference)

Italy =/= North Italy. That sample could be from anywhere, even Naples. I don't even know what that study has to do with PISA... again, I'm not trying to prove that North Italians are smarter than Scandinavians. I was trying to prove that going by PISA natives scores on mathematics literacy (PISA 2012, I specifically selected that year because it's the most recent one -you did the same with IQ studies- and because PISA 2015 has no scores for the native students at the regional level) North Italians score higher than Scandinavia, and I was correct.

Keep spouting your self proclaimed expert opinions on the history of migration in Sweden, meanwhile:

Totally insignificant numbers.

That's already 40k a year from 1965. Yeah, they weren't Somalians, but there definitely already were Turks, Lebanese, Assyrians in the 60s, as well as Balts, Balkanites, Czechs, Hungarians, Italians and Greeks already in the 40s and 50s. By 1970 the foreign born population was 7%, you know how many 15 year olds in 2012 are going to be descended from that 7%? Even if we assume over half the immigrants were from Finland and the rest of Scandinavia, you think it was intellectuals migrating? No, it was factory and farm workers, as well as the poorest of the poor refugees. See the differences in intelligence between Quebecois(some of the best scoring white Canadians) and the largely factory worker French Canadian immigrants and their descendants in New England in the US, who to this day still score extremely low on standardized tests, and scored minority level in the early 1900s.

The point is not how many 15yo kids are going to be descended from that 7% of foreigners in 1970, but how many Pisa-defined natives (not first, not second, but third generation immigrants), you're stuck in this low IQ argument.
Anyway, of that 7%, 74% were from Scandinavia, Germanic countries, Anglo-Saxon countries and Belgium, I found the stats:

Your math is just so fucking off it's headache inducing. Nearly all your Chileans would've came in the early 70s, and good bit of them would've died by 2014. No, you are incorrect about Assyrians and especially Yugoslavians. The average childbearing age in the US was 21 in 1971(it's 26 today, even with that number you'd have a significant amount of non-Swedes), assuming the immigrant rate was similar in Sweden, that is a fuck ton of immigrants having kids before the average threshold of being a foreigner born in Sweden before 1976 required for the next average threshold of 1997 to have a 15 year old in 2012. I've also shown you that the 1 native born and 1 foreign born parent demographic can be quite large in a country like Canada, couldn't find anything for Sweden unfortunately.

Actual ethnic Swedish PISA data is actually readily available to you, the data from Swedish Finns, which range from 522, 527, 535, 536 for math depending on the year, and no, that doesn't tie your Veneto, the same year they scored 535 in 2003 Venetians scored 511, when Italy had a missing coverage rate of 8% rather than 20%, coverage being even more iffy for regional because there are no minimum regional threshold of coverage required, only country wide. You can argue people in Bolzano and Trento score higher than Swedes in PISA though, and you'd have finally said something factually correct, they also scored 20+ points higher in math than any other Italian province in any other year other than 2012, including 2015, which goes to show how useless your outlier 2012 numbers are.

Well, you can take Lombardy as a proxy for northern Italy (for instance, you do that genetically, because the north Italian centroid lies between Bergamo and Milano, accounting for the more southern-shifted Ligurians and Emilians and the more northern-shifted north-east Italians and Piedmontese, and with light eyes rate: 37% for northern Italy according to Livi, same number for Lombardy, figure ranges from 30% in Emilia-Romagna to 49-50% in the Venetian Alps).

So let's take Lombardy in PISA 2003 and compare it with Swedish Finns and Scandinavian countries.

Scandinavian countries (natives, it's 2003 so fuck off):

Norway = 499
Sweden = 517
Denmark = 520

Source:

Lombardy (all): 519

Source:

Now, native students were the 92%, immigrants the 6.2%, missing answers were the 1.8%.

Let's say of that 1.8% of missing answers, half were immigrants. He now have a figure of 93% and 7% for natives and immigrants respectively.
We know that the immigrant mean score in Lombardy was 423:

So we can calculate the mean for native ''Lombards'', 526. Now, let's say that in 2003, between 20% and 35% of the natives were of terrone origin (my estimates, considering that between 1958 and 1963 800k terroni migrated to the Triangolo Industriale area -Genoa-Milan-Turin triangle-, source in Italian: http://www.museotorino.it/view/s/bdd...2b6539e0d1cee7, and that the population of Liguria-Lombardy-Piedmont-Aosta in 1963 was 9.650.000, source ISTAT: http://dati.istat.it/Index.aspx?Data..._RICPOPRES1971, and that now, the roster of a small football team from the Turin area has 15 (62.5%) southern Italian surnames in it -Assetta, Benarrivato, Bocchicchio, Cesareo, Corona, D'Italia, De Rosa, Gervasi, Gioielli, Iovino, Loi, Parisi, Raimo, Scappaticci, Serpa-, only 4 (16.7%) Piedmontese surnames - Casse, Humbert, Moia, Tonda-, 4 (16.7%) north Italian surnames from other regions -Andreis (Lombardy-Veneto-Trentino), Borgobello (Friuli), Degli Esposti (Bologna), Michieli (Veneto)-, and 1 pan-Italian surname (Varese): https://www.tuttocampo.it/Piemonte/P...co/933981/Rosa).
Not so far-fetched estimates, you can ask other Italian users, they can confirm.
We know that the mean score of terroni in terronia, in 2003, was 426 (428 for the Campania-Molise-Abruzzo-Apulia megaregion, 423 for the Calabria-Sicily-Sardegna-Basilicata megaregion --> same score of immigrants in Lombardy btw), source (2nd table):

So we can calculate the mean score for 'real' native Lombards, 551-580, depending on the percentage of terroni.

That would put 'real' native Lombards (a proxy for north Italians) above all native Scandinavians the same year:

Lombardy (real natives): 551-580
Swedish Finns: 535
Lombardy (natives): 526
Denmark (natives): 520
Lombardy (all): 519
Sweden (natives): 517
Norway (natives): 499

It's interesting you said North Italians score the best, using only specific provinces rather than the whole average, and then compared it to a whole country. Piedmontese and Ligurians are N. Italian too. You don't think there's regional differences in Sweden and other countries too? Uppland master race? Estonian master race because ethnic Estonians got 545 in math in Tallinn in 2015? 2006 native numbers for math for the North-West NUTS region(includes Lombardy, Piedmont, Aosta, Liguria) = 497, 2009 = 517, North-East NUTS region 2006 = 515, 2009 = 519, and that is for population of the whole region, not all of them averaged.

What's funny is that you're totally fine with Trentini scoring higher than Swedish Finns, and at the same time with Piedmontese-Aostans, a population that is as genetically northern-shifted as Trentini, Aostans being basically French (pic), scoring closer to Apulia than to Veneto:

This is now the last thing I'm pointing out to you, I still doubt you'll admit you're wrong after I thoroughly dismantled every part of your shitty argument. On IQ, spamming that 99 number? That's like the first time I've mentioned it

Lol, you mentioned it here, 2 years ago, under the ItaliansAreWhiiite username:
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/201...right-part-ii/

The 99 for Pisa seems to be the most likely number for the north, ignoring the old 1962 study and the adult study from the capital which is more likely to have a selected sample(especially since it’s from the capital) rather than kids. (cit.)

and it isn't based on numbers from Pisa, it was my estimate based on various factors(such as GDP per capita, Stockholm vs Rome 1980 IQ, and the majority of standardized testing)

GDP per capita? Not really useful when comparing different countries. USA has a higher GDP per capita than the Netherlands, now compare USA whites PISA scores with native Dutch or Flemish. And, we have something like 20,637,360 terroni and 2 856 133 Romans leeching our money, plus the ones in North-Central Italy. We can't create a good economy with them. It's simply impossible.
Tax surplus map:

Stockholm vs Rome 1980 IQ? What in the world does Rome (a city where 2/3 of the population as of 2010 has total or partial non-roman ancestry, mostly from the South, article in Italian: https://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2...u_due-6925805/) have to do with northern Italy? Btw that study had Rome at 103.8, Oslo at 101.8, Copenhagen at 100.7 and Helsinki at 98.1.

As for south Italians in the north, maybe if you argued that from the start and it was your main argument you wouldn't look like such a moron. That being said, surnames is NOT enough evidence to support such a claim, especially when they could be even from pre-Italian unification times, and the idea of "north and south" surnames is iffy at best. You need the evidence for Lombardy, Veneto and Fruili, not Piedmont, as well. Genomes from Renaissance or atleast 1700s N. Italy so we can compare them to moderns would be best. Until you have that evidence, we're done here. If you do happen to provide it, I will absolutely admit I'm wrong, and bow down to our new N. Italian overlords.

Surnames are actually a good of way of tracking ancestry in Italy, they're usually macro-area/region-specific, sometimes even province or town-specific. North Italian surnames are not present in southern Italy, while south Italian surnames, even the less common ones, have always some presence in northern Italy. Stereotypical Lombard surnames are almost non-existent in southern Italy, es. Brambilla, Fumagalli, Crippa, Scaccabarozzi, Acquistapace, Beretta, Valsecchi, Cattaneo, Bizzozzero, Ballabio, Perego, Salmoiraghi, Cazzaniga, Orsenigo, Vigano', Bonasegale, Valcarenghi, Cambianica, Cislaghi, Uslenghi, Barlassina, Bargiggia, Tanfoglio, Pirola, Lattuada, Dellavedova, Scaramellini, Baronio, Trussardi, Bugatti, Pizzaballa, Fratus, Noris, Acerbis, Bonacina, Fanzaga, Galbusera, Scandroglio, Prada, Bascialla, Belingheri, Trentarossi, Treccani, Gambirasio, Carminati, Quecchia, Ghiringhelli (you can check them here: https://www.mappadeicognomi.it/index...billa&s=Genera), same goes from typical Latian surnames like Lollobrigida, Principessa, Gasbarrone, Malandruccolo, Falamesca, Perciballi, Labbadia, Meloccaro, Di Viccaro, Manauzzi, Foffo, Balzotti. On the contrary, typical Sicilian surnames like Santonocito, Castrogiovanni, Stracquadanio, Pipitone, Spampinato, Riina, Briguglio, or Mastroberardino, Paparusso, Acquafredda, Abatantuono (from Apulia) have all a presence in Turin and Milan. But it's when you look at the most common ones, like Russo, Santoro, Greco, Morabito, Esposito, D'Angelo, De Rosa and Caruso, that you understand the magnitude of the terronization of northern Italy, started in the 50s:
http://uninomade.org/wp/wp-content/u...-and-1960s.pdf

**Armenian Bishop** · 07-21-2019, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by renaissance12

Washingtonpost is an american newspaper... Don't accuse me..

The Creator and CEO of Amazon owns the Washington Post. Here's Michelle Fleury's August, 2013, BBC Article about it:

The boss of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, has agreed to purchase the Washington Post newspaper for $250m (£163m). Mr Bezos is buying the paper and its other print properties in a personal capacity. The Post has been owned by the Graham family for 80 years.

**Armenian Bishop** · 07-21-2019, 01:33 AM

**XenophobicPrussian** · 07-21-2019, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by savvas

Italy =/= North Italy. That sample could be from anywhere, even Naples. I don't even know what that study has to do with PISA... again, I'm not trying to prove that North Italians are smarter than Scandinavians. I was trying to prove that going by PISA natives scores on mathematics literacy (PISA 2012, I specifically selected that year because it's the most recent one -you did the same with IQ studies- and because PISA 2015 has no scores for the native students at the regional level) North Italians score higher than Scandinavia, and I was correct.

The point is not how many 15yo kids are going to be descended from that 7% of foreigners in 1970, but how many Pisa-defined natives (not first, not second, but third generation immigrants), you're stuck in this low IQ argument.
Anyway, of that 7%, 74% were from Scandinavia, Germanic countries, Anglo-Saxon countries and Belgium, I found the stats:

Lombardy (all): 519

Source:

Now, native students were the 92%, immigrants the 6.2%, missing answers were the 1.8%.

Let's say of that 1.8% of missing answers, half were immigrants. He now have a figure of 93% and 7% for natives and immigrants respectively.
We know that the immigrant mean score in Lombardy was 423:

So we can calculate the mean for native ''Lombards'', 526. Now, let's say that in 2003, between 20% and 35% of the natives were of terrone origin (my estimates, considering that between 1958 and 1963 800k terroni migrated to the Triangolo Industriale area -Genoa-Milan-Turin triangle-, source in Italian: http://www.museotorino.it/view/s/bdd...2b6539e0d1cee7, and that the population of Liguria-Lombardy-Piedmont-Aosta in 1963 was 9.650.000, source ISTAT: http://dati.istat.it/Index.aspx?Data..._RICPOPRES1971, and that now, the roster of a small football team from the Turin area has 15 (62.5%) southern Italian surnames in it -Assetta, Benarrivato, Bocchicchio, Cesareo, Corona, D'Italia, De Rosa, Gervasi, Gioielli, Iovino, Loi, Parisi, Raimo, Scappaticci, Serpa-, only 4 (16.7%) Piedmontese surnames - Casse, Humbert, Moia, Tonda-, 4 (16.7%) north Italian surnames from other regions -Andreis (Lombardy-Veneto-Trentino), Borgobello (Friuli), Degli Esposti (Bologna), Michieli (Veneto)-, and 1 pan-Italian surname (Varese): https://www.tuttocampo.it/Piemonte/P...co/933981/Rosa).
Not so far-fetched estimates, you can ask other Italian users, they can confirm.
We know that the mean score of terroni in terronia, in 2003, was 426 (428 for the Campania-Molise-Abruzzo-Apulia megaregion, 423 for the Calabria-Sicily-Sardegna-Basilicata megaregion --> same score of immigrants in Lombardy btw), source (2nd table):

So we can calculate the mean score for 'real' native Lombards, 551-580, depending on the percentage of terroni.

That would put 'real' native Lombards (a proxy for north Italians) above all native Scandinavians the same year:

Lombardy (real natives): 551-580
Swedish Finns: 535
Lombardy (natives): 526
Denmark (natives): 520
Lombardy (all): 519
Sweden (natives): 517
Norway (natives): 499

What's funny is that you're totally fine with Trentini scoring higher than Swedish Finns, and at the same time with Piedmontese-Aostans, a population that is as genetically northern-shifted as Trentini, Aostans being basically French (pic), scoring closer to Apulia than to Veneto:

Lol, you mentioned it here, 2 years ago, under the ItaliansAreWhiiite username:
https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/201...right-part-ii/

The 99 for Pisa seems to be the most likely number for the north, ignoring the old 1962 study and the adult study from the capital which is more likely to have a selected sample(especially since it’s from the capital) rather than kids. (cit.)

GDP per capita? Not really useful when comparing different countries. USA has a higher GDP per capita than the Netherlands, now compare USA whites PISA scores with native Dutch or Flemish. And, we have something like 20,637,360 terroni and 2 856 133 Romans leeching our money, plus the ones in North-Central Italy. We can't create a good economy with them. It's simply impossible.
Tax surplus map:

Stockholm vs Rome 1980 IQ? What in the world does Rome (a city where 2/3 of the population as of 2010 has total or partial non-roman ancestry, mostly from the South, article in Italian: https://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2...u_due-6925805/) have to do with northern Italy? Btw that study had Rome at 103.8, Oslo at 101.8, Copenhagen at 100.7 and Helsinki at 98.1.

Surnames are actually a good of way of tracking ancestry in Italy, they're usually macro-area/region-specific, sometimes even province or town-specific. North Italian surnames are not present in southern Italy, while south Italian surnames, even the less common ones, have always some presence in northern Italy. Stereotypical Lombard surnames are almost non-existent in southern Italy, es. Brambilla, Fumagalli, Crippa, Scaccabarozzi, Acquistapace, Beretta, Valsecchi, Cattaneo, Bizzozzero, Ballabio, Perego, Salmoiraghi, Cazzaniga, Orsenigo, Vigano', Bonasegale, Valcarenghi, Cambianica, Cislaghi, Uslenghi, Barlassina, Bargiggia, Tanfoglio, Pirola, Lattuada, Dellavedova, Scaramellini, Baronio, Trussardi, Bugatti, Pizzaballa, Fratus, Noris, Acerbis, Bonacina, Fanzaga, Galbusera, Scandroglio, Prada, Bascialla, Belingheri, Trentarossi, Treccani, Gambirasio, Carminati, Quecchia, Ghiringhelli (you can check them here: https://www.mappadeicognomi.it/index...billa&s=Genera), same goes from typical Latian surnames like Lollobrigida, Principessa, Gasbarrone, Malandruccolo, Falamesca, Perciballi, Labbadia, Meloccaro, Di Viccaro, Manauzzi, Foffo, Balzotti. On the contrary, typical Sicilian surnames like Santonocito, Castrogiovanni, Stracquadanio, Pipitone, Spampinato, Riina, Briguglio, or Mastroberardino, Paparusso, Acquafredda, Abatantuono (from Apulia) have all a presence in Turin and Milan. But it's when you look at the most common ones, like Russo, Santoro, Greco, Morabito, Esposito, D'Angelo, De Rosa and Caruso, that you understand the magnitude of the terronization of northern Italy, started in the 50s:
http://uninomade.org/wp/wp-content/u...-and-1960s.pdf

lol, making me respond again. Nice little find there with the post on that guy's blog, that's still 2 times, one not even on this forum. Not spamming, you were wrong, again. Already said I don't care if you're only talking about PISA, I responded to your claim that North Italians are smarter than Scandinavians, which needs more evidence than PISA, especially only one year. You literally wasted all that time getting the sources for surnames because I already said that isn't sufficient enough evidence for me to admit I'm wrong. Even if surnames are a good indicator(I doubt it), you could be literally arguing about a long lost North Italian ethnicity that hasn't existed for hundreds of years. You're still comparing one region, Lombardy, in 2003, to entire countries. Like I said, Veneto scored 511 non-native in 2003, and the entire regions natives scored way below Lombardia in 2006/2009 as well. 2015 actually did have regional numbers, just not many. They did have Veneto, again, 508(which is non-native but still way lower than non-native in 2012). Rome vs Stockholm is relevant because capitals(and big cities) attract the best of the best(of whites anyway). Rome undoubtably has a higher IQ than North Italy overall(Milan would likely have higher), as do most capitals. Yeah, Copenhagen/Oslo/Helsinki with their sample sizes of 122, 100 and 120 compared to Rome's over 1k. Huge margin of error difference.

I didn't post that because of Italy's score(which was representative of the whole country btw, not one region), I posted it because Scandinavia scored even better than the Netherlands and Germany which both consistently score better in math than PISA than N Italy/Lombardy, and the difference between N. Europe there is greater than the difference between N. Europe and Italy as a whole on PISA. I have no problem admitting Trent scores better than Swedish Finns on PISA because there's actually evidence for it, both are extremely homogenous and again, it's only a region, but then again, issues of sample coverage and whether it's representative come up, because you cannot compare a country, Italy, that doesn't cover 20% of it's students(and much less for regional because there's no required amount), with a country like Finland which only doesn't cover 3%. PISA literally states they don't even go to schools that are geographically tough to access, how do you think that'd work out in the Alps?

I don't care where the immigrants are from, you're not going to derive the PISA scores of ethnic Swedes and call it scientific when they aren't ethnic Swedes. I would say the exact same thing if there was actually documented numbers for South Italian immigrants or any immigrants in N. Italy and someone made a claim of N. Italian scores vs a country with a lot less immigrants than it. Even if immigrants would score the exact same as where they're from, that 26% of the 7% still lowers the score, and you need numbers from 1976, not 1970. 1980 had a lot less Germanic immigrants as a whole than 1970, and then there is the 1 native born 1 foreign born parent demographic that both of us underestimated(again, 8% in Canada), and finally, for the third fucking time, Italians study and spend twice as much time on homework as Scandinavians, you'd better hope Lombards score better(but, they don't, as North Italians as a whole definitely don't).

Most Italian immigrants to San Francisco were N. Italian, unlike most Italian Americans. They don't make more money or have better education rates than N Europeans in San Francisco, same environment. They make good money, and have a good rate, better than Irish, but not the most. You just can't accept being second fiddle. I can appreciate your arguments have been getting better, large amounts of S. Italians in N. Italy is better than what you were arguing before, I can also appreciate your honesty about your fellow countrymen unlike other Italians on here, but at the end of the day, your original statement that N. Italians, Lombards, whatever population you want to use, are smarter than Scandinavians, is incorrect and nor does it have nearly the sufficient amount of evidence for it to be arguable.

**savvas** · 07-21-2019, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

lol, making me respond again. Nice little find there with the post on that guy's blog, that's still 2 times, one not even on this forum. Not spamming, you were wrong, again. Already said I don't care if you're only talking about PISA, I responded to your claim that North Italians are smarter than Scandinavians, which needs more evidence than PISA, especially only one year. You literally wasted all that time getting the sources for surnames because I already said that isn't sufficient enough evidence for me to admit I'm wrong. Even if surnames are a good indicator(I doubt it), you could be literally arguing about a long lost North Italian ethnicity that hasn't existed for hundreds of years. You're still comparing one region, Lombardy, in 2003, to entire countries. Like I said, Veneto scored 511 non-native in 2003, and the entire regions natives scored way below Lombardia in 2006/2009 as well. 2015 actually did have regional numbers, just not many. They did have Veneto, again, 508(which is non-native but still way lower than non-native in 2012).

A proper North Italian ethnicity existed until the 50s. I've already linked you articles that talk about the post-WWII mass migrations of southern Italians to the North-West, data that show that 8-10% of north-west Italians in 1963 were born in terronia, and that in the Turin area, as of 2019, it looks like southern Italian surnames are the 62.5%, and that northern Italian surnames are non-existent in southern Italy, while southern Italian surnames, in northern Italy, are.

Veneto in 2003? All = 511; natives (including terroni) = 520 (9% of immigrant students, immigrants score = 423); real natives (excluding terroni) = 530-537 (estimated 10-15% of terroni students, terroni score in terronia = 426).

Swedish Finns: 535
Veneto (real natives): 530-537
Denmark (natives) and Veneto (natives): 520
Sweden (natives): 517
Veneto (all): 511
Norway (natives): 499

Rome undoubtably has a higher IQ than North Italy overall(Milan would likely have higher), as do most capitals. Yeah, Copenhagen/Oslo/Helsinki with their sample sizes of 122, 100 and 120 compared to Rome's over 1k. Huge margin of error difference.

Hahahahaha. Yes, sure. that's why in PISA 2012 Lazio scored 478 compared to 516 of North-West Italy and 526 of North-East Italy. 49% of Lazians live in Rome, if we give Romans a 516-526 northern score, other Lazians will accordingly score 432-444, which means lower than the Calabria-Sicily-Basilicata-Sardinia megaregion. Completely reasonable hahahahaha.

I didn't post that because of Italy's score(which was representative of the whole country btw, not one region), I posted it because Scandinavia scored even better than the Netherlands and Germany which both consistently score better in math than PISA than N Italy/Lombardy, and the difference between N. Europe there is greater than the difference between N. Europe and Italy as a whole on PISA. I have no problem admitting Trent scores better than Swedish Finns on PISA because there's actually evidence for it, both are extremely homogenous and again, it's only a region, but then again, issues of sample coverage and whether it's representative come up, because you cannot compare a country, Italy, that doesn't cover 20% of it's students(and much less for regional because there's no required amount), with a country like Finland which only doesn't cover 3%. PISA literally states they don't even go to schools that are geographically tough to access, how do you think that'd work out in the Alps?

Venetians, Friulans, Piedmontese and Aostans are genetically closer to Trento than Lombardy is. Genetically I would say 30-40% of Lombards are genetically closer to Tuscans than to Trento. Again, it still baffles me how you're fine with Trentini scoring higher than Swedish Finns, and at the same time with Piedmontese, Friulans, Venetians and Aostans, genetically closer to Trento than Lombardy is, scoring lower than Lombardy.

I don't care where the immigrants are from, you're not going to derive the PISA scores of ethnic Swedes and call it scientific when they aren't ethnic Swedes. I would say the exact same thing if there was actually documented numbers for South Italian immigrants or any immigrants in N. Italy and someone made a claim of N. Italian scores vs a country with a lot less immigrants than it. Even if immigrants would score the exact same as where they're from, that 26% of the 7% still lowers the score, and you need numbers from 1976, not 1970. 1980 had a lot less Germanic immigrants as a whole than 1970, and then there is the 1 native born 1 foreign born parent demographic that both of us underestimated(again, 8% in Canada), and finally, for the third fucking time, Italians study and spend twice as much time on homework as Scandinavians, you'd better hope Lombards score better(but, they don't, as North Italians as a whole definitely don't).

Just did the PISA 2003 natives the previous comment, which had a good coverage rate for Italy, what the fuck do you want more? Studying time is irrelevant for a test like PISA which is considered sort of an IQ test and is hella easy:
http://www.oecd.org/education/school...s-pisa2003.htm

Most Italian immigrants to San Francisco were N. Italian, unlike most Italian Americans. They don't make more money or have better education rates than N Europeans in San Francisco, same environment. They make good money, and have a good rate, better than Irish, but not the most. You just can't accept being second fiddle. I can appreciate your arguments have been getting better, large amounts of S. Italians in N. Italy is better than what you were arguing before, I can also appreciate your honesty about your fellow countrymen unlike other Italians on here, but at the end of the day, your original statement that N. Italians, Lombards, whatever population you want to use, are smarter than Scandinavians, is incorrect and nor does it have nearly the sufficient amount of evidence for it to be arguable.

Bullshit, you liar, the San Francisco Italian Athletic Club's Facebook page has a recent post with 48 likes, and half of the people that liked it have Italian surnames, 12 (50%) are southern Italian (Pilla, Martino, Annuzzi, Crivello, Di Napoli, Spiga, Canigiula, La Rocca, Anastasio, Coviello, Mastrangelo, Giacobelli), 2 central Italian (Ercoli and Taffera), 1 is north-central Italian (Cerri), 4 are proper northern Italian (Parodi, Ferrari, Guagnini, Giudici, Marsetti) and another 4 are pan-Italian (Stefani, Valenti, Conti, Molinari). So at best only 37.5% of the sample are north Italian surnames. And I don't give a fuck about San Francisco, totally irrelevant point, it wasn't intellectuals migrating from northern Italy to the US in the 800s/early 900s.

**sean** · 07-21-2019, 02:31 PM

Very few Americans have SSA. If you've read the American DNA kits on here the SSA is almost always 0.0%.

**~~RenaRyuguu~~** · 07-21-2019, 02:32 PM

Unfortunately during slavery times there were a lot of affairs between servants and their masters. It's all written down.

**Kazimiera** · 07-24-2019, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by emziepiex3

Unfortunately during slavery times there were a lot of affairs between servants and their masters. It's all written down.

And most of it is conveniently not written down.

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