are modern day romanians descendants of dacians???

**grecoroman** · 07-02-2019, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Aspirin

If judging by this sample, Romanians are not descendants of Dacians.

average romanian sample

1 North_Sea 18.09
2 Baltic 15.03
3 East_Med 14.8
4 Atlantic 13.57
5 West_Med 12.91
6 Eastern_Euro 12.35
7 West_Asian 11.17
8 Red_Sea 1.11
9 Oceanian 0.43
10 South_Asian 0.33
11 Amerindian 0.2

**~~Zmey Gorynych~~** · 07-02-2019, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

Bronze age population living in Romania is considered proto-Dacian.

It's extremely unlikely that Bronze age population would be very close to Romanians but Dacians wouldn't. Let's use a little common sense.

Well thanks for inviting me to use common sense. How about this for a little common sense. The samples were taken from graves found in Transylvania. Dacians used to cremate their dead. The existence of dacians in the Carpathian region is attested since roughly 1000 BC. Sure you can choose to call people who lived in the same area some 500, 1000, 3000 or more years before the dacians proto-dacians but there is no certainty here.

I've read the whole article now. The study found similarities between modern day Romanians and populations from the early Neolithic (6000bc) and middle Neolithic (5000-4000bc) but not with populations from the bronze age.

**~~War Chef~~** · 07-02-2019, 04:41 PM

Yes. Dacians we're probably Mediterranean racial strain and most "dark" Romanians descend from them. Slavic settlement made Romanians lighter and more northern. We have a Thracian DNA sample and it was very Sardinian-like.

**Seya** · 07-02-2019, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by grecoroman

this is a dacian sample

i don't think this is real. no east med? weird

**~~ixulescu~~** · 07-02-2019, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Zmey Gorynych

Well thanks for inviting me to use common sense. How about this for a little common sense. The samples were taken from graves found in Transylvania. Dacians used to cremate their dead. The existence of dacians in the Carpathian region is attested since roughly 1000 BC. Sure you can choose to call people who lived in the same area some 500, 1000, 3000 or more years before the dacians proto-dacians but there is no certainty here.

I've read the whole article now. The study found similarities between modern day Romanians and populations from the early Neolithic (6000bc) and middle Neolithic (5000-4000bc) but not with populations from the bronze age.

I might have confused the populations. I have read the paper quite a long time ago.

Regardless, the paper shows strong connection between paleo-Balkan populations and present day Romanians. And you can bet Dacians, who at some point were the majority in this area, had the same middle Neolithic ancestry. Otherwise it wouldn't have been preserved to this day.

**~~ixulescu~~** · 07-02-2019, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by War Chief

Yes. Dacians we're probably Mediterranean racial strain and most "dark" Romanians descend from them. Slavic settlement made Romanians lighter and more northern. We have a Thracian DNA sample and it was very Sardinian-like.

I think Dacians were quite diverse phenotypically. At least this is how they were described at that time.

And it makes sense. The settled Dacian population lived mostly in Transylvania, but there were also migrating Dacians that lived together with Scythians, Goths etc outside the Carpathian arc. It's not inconceivable that input from migratory populations were transferred to the settled Dacians, through the migratory Dacians.