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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    What is your knowledge base/position on M458 and clades(more specifically L1029)?. Always looking to learn more on these clades. I happen to belong to an Albanian founder effect splitting L1029 that seems localized to Eastern Albania and Western Macedonia. Our TMRCA with each other is about 1100-1200 years. There are currently 6 Albanians by surname in this cluster and an additional 12 through various studies(a few tosks among them). Most have origin around north-east Albania/west Macedonia.
    Hello MagnusDark, I recall you from another boards and R1a Project. I don't think I will provide you with something new - you belong to a subclade of L1029 that was seemingly assimilated by raising Albanians. Did your ancestors spoke Gheg dialects?
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    According to Seya, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artek View Post
    Hello MagnusDark, I recall you from another boards and R1a Project. I don't think I will provide you with something new - you belong to a subclade of L1029 that was seemingly assimilated by raising Albanians. Did your ancestors spoke Gheg dialects?
    Hi Artek, Idk why TA didn't send notification. Apologies for delayed response. Yea I meant more just information on M568 and L1029 in general and all its clades, to get an idea of the various founders among distant ancient cousins in far flung places.

    For my cluster I am actually quite shocked how much I have learned in less than 2 years since my BigY. Initially I was predicted no call for M458 on LivingDNA and YP515 on Y37 at FTDNA. Then Full Genomes confirmed L1029. Eventually I created a SNP pack with my novels, and then Albanian matches started rolling in. Currently 6 Albanian families including myself in our project (tmrca 1200ypb), and 7 confirmed from studies(mostly Ghegs with a few Tosks), one of which was from the recent Macedonia study. This cluster seems focused around Eastern Albania & West Macedonia.

    My family has always been Gheg as far was we know, and considering most in this cluster have origin in and around Diber/Debar(on both sides of the border), it likely incubated and assimilated within this region/area. There are another 6 Albanians from other studies, however they only had few STRs tested so only 2 of the 3 modals for Dibra cluster were present with the 3rd not having been tested. So only 13 officially with potentially others assuming they match the 3rd STR or for a pre-dibra cluster split.

    I also have quite a few paternal Albanian matches on 23andme from the same area or its surroundings that are L1029 as well. I asked them to test so time will tell. So far I sit on basal L1029 on yfull as my matches mostly tested at YSEQ.

    I am just more curious in general about M458 & L1029 and their diversity, and subclades/founders. I only have that Vayda blog from February of last year, but, many claim its inaccurate.

    We speak the Central Gheg dialect(see below):

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