Kuçi Dhe Vasojeçi

[Vukodav]

Well obviously that’s now true, as can be seen now looking at the y lineages of North Albanians. Serbs have pushed such a theory for like two centuries but it’s dead in the water now. They did have some presence in Shkoder the city and Ulqin, but as far the highlands go they were always predominantly Albanian.

As for intermarriages, yes they were sort of common. Also the reason why some of these clans switched their language.

I don't think that marriages between Montenegrins and Albanian Highlanders were that common tbh, it would be visible in autosomal results of both populations, but from what I've seen they are distant. The main reason for occasional usage of others language due to the proximity, necessity and trade.

[Vukodav]

Why?

https://sr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%...83%D1%87%D0%B0

[MagnusDark]

Kuči still have Albanian and Slavic muslim minority. The slavic muslims will obviously have negative feelings towards Serbs. But Kuči are one of the most nationalistic Serbs in Montenegro for sure

These were Muslim it’s true. They also have family in Shkoder.

[Skerdilaid]

Crnci are also E-V13.

Any idea what subclade?

[Dukagjini]

Well obviously that’s now true, as can be seen now looking at the y lineages of North Albanians. Serbs have pushed such a theory for like two centuries but it’s dead in the water now. They did have some presence in Shkoder the city and Ulqin, but as far the highlands go they were always predominantly Albanian.

As for intermarriages, yes they were sort of common. Also the reason why some of these clans switched their language.

Would these intermarriages with Montenegrin tribes, somewhat explain my Montenegrin, slavic features?

[Dukagjini]

I don't think that marriages between Montenegrins and Albanian Highlanders were that common tbh, it would be visible in autosomal results of both populations, but from what I've seen they are distant. The main reason for occasional usage of others language due to the proximity, necessity and trade.

I think what happened was there was indeed mixing, but then this mixing stopped and Albs, MNE highlanders, mixed with their own again, which somewhat diluted the Alb genes Mnegrins were getting, and the slavic genes albs were getting. Although I'm not sure to the extent both Alb tribes and MNE tribes did mix.

I do look somewhat slavic in my phenotype, and so do other members in my family, that is why I think this mixing did occur. But when I check my autosomal, it rarely shows up. This could be, because the testing is just not there yet, to separate the genes.

[Vukodav]

I think what happened was there was indeed mixing, but then this mixing stopped and Albs, MNE highlanders, mixed with their own again, which somewhat diluted the Alb genes Mnegrins were getting, and the slavic genes albs were getting. Although I'm not sure to the extent both Alb tribes and MNE tribes did mix.

I do look somewhat slavic in my phenotype, and so do other members in my family, that is why I think this mixing did occur. But when I check my autosomal, it rarely shows up. This could be, because the testing is just not there yet, to separate the genes.

Well, mixing did occur obviously, I just don't think it was that common as some people claim. Because these are two different cultures, religions and languages after all, despite the cultural exchange. But I do think that it was rarer in lets say the last 100 years of Ottoman period due to the already established animosity between two groups

[Dukagjini]

Well, mixing did occur obviously, I just don't think it was that common as some people claim. Because these are two different cultures, religions and languages after all, despite the cultural exchange. But I do think that it was rarer in lets say the last 100 years of Ottoman period due to the already established animosity between two groups

Not sure exactly why there was mixing in the first place. Some people say it was due to a common ground, culture, others say it was to stop tension, etc.

I know that Marko Miljanov spoke very highly of Malesors. I think his mother was a Malesor, if I am not mistaken.

This mixing certainly stopped and is much rarer, in recent times, like you said. But there are many assimilated Albanians in MNE now, that are raising their children speaking only Serbian, etc, mixing with Montenegrins. So it isn't all absent.

[Vukodav]

Not sure exactly why there was mixing in the first place. Some people say it was due to a common ground, culture, others say it was to stop tension, etc.

I know that Marko Miljanov spoke very highly of Malesors. I think his mother was a Malesor, if I am not mistaken.

This mixing certainly stopped and is much rarer, in recent times, like you said. But there are many assimilated Albanians in MNE now, that are raising their children speaking only Serbian, etc, mixing with Montenegrins. So it isn't all absent.

Yeah, Marko's mother was Albanian, but I think that Kuči as a whole always had good connections with Albanians up until relatevely recently.
I am not sure why did the mixing occurred tbh, a lot of the marriages back then were arranged, so I asume that males from bordering clans who didn't have any other option found a wife in neighbouring Albanian or Montenegrin clan. Or just coincidence, who knows.
The assimilated Albanians in Montenegro live in mixed Albanian and Slavic muslim communities tho and they mixed for ages, like in Plav and Gusinje for example, its not a recent thing tho. But most of them still have Albanian identity, so its kinda strech to say that they are asimilated, I know that language is important and all but I doubt they'll start identifying as Serbs, maybe eventually like Bosniaks. The Albanians in Tuzi and Ulcinj still speak Albanian, actually in Ulcinj they only speak Albanian, most of the youth can't even speak Serbian

[Uski]

Found thi:http://www.albanianhistory.net/1907_Miljanov/index.htm

Seems like he did respect the Malesori Customs and Hospitality quite enough, even though he actually fought against Albanian muslims for quite some time

Also is Pashko Vasa related in any way to the Vasojevici? Could Vasa be the Albanian version of them?