Kuçi Dhe Vasojeçi

[Cumansky]

No Vlach has haplogroup R1B, don't even try that ish.

[MagnusDark]

Kuči still have Albanian and Slavic muslim minority. The slavic muslims will obviously have negative feelings towards Serbs. But Kuči are one of the most nationalistic Serbs in Montenegro for sure

These were Muslim it’s true. They also have family in Shkoder.

[Vukodav]

No Vlach has haplogroup R1B, don't even try that ish.

Vlach is a wide term. In this case I meant people that Slavs called "Latins". Latinised natives basically

[Skerdilaid]

Piperi as a clan have two or three ancestral "bases". The old one is basically made of Slavic carriers I2 and R1a. The largest Piperi brotherhood Lutovci are I2. The ones that belong to R1b are called Lužani, after the old Vlach/Latin clan that got slavicised. I think that ev13 carriers among Piperi are called Crnci, and that they alse stteem from Lužani. I don't count other multiple brotherhoods that have different ancestry and were adopted gradually by Piperi

No, the clan itself is R1b-BY611>Z2705 (the Lutovci in other words). Lužani in other hand who were the older layer there are I2a. Crrnci if I am not mistaken are I2a as well or at least part of them. Mugoša as I mentioned are V13.

[Vukodav]

These were Muslim it’s true. They also have family in Shkoder.

even tho we have some sort of historical clan rivalry with them, at first them being larger and bullying us, then we outpowered them and returned them equally, I have huge respect for everything they withstood. They were masacred twice by Montenegrin crown, women, children and elders mostly. I am not even gonna count how many times Ottomans burned their settlements, cus they are border clan and first to take the full attack. But yet they somehow managed to survive, stand tall and keep their identity. So, to be perfectly honest, they can be Arabs by ancestry, but they are still one if the greatest Serbs and Montenegrins in my book.
Having said that, Montenegrin muslims generally have specific identity, which is both confusing and logical from historical standpoint. They have Montenegrin identity, but except minority they are not comfortable at accepting Serbian part of it, because of the persecution by Orthodox Montenegrins after and during the Ottoman times

[Skerdilaid]

Skerdi what do you think of these statements from an article,
Although it is certain that some of the Mrkovići were historically Albanian (and some continue to identify themselves as such), scholars disagree whether linguistic and other cultural similarities to Slavic dialects in Kosovo and Macedonia are the result of Albanian speakers shifting to Slavic or simply from their location historically. Most scholars believe that they lived in northern Albania and thus, geographically, connected Slavic dialects in Montenegro, southern Serbia (including Kosovo) and northern Macedonia (Stanišić 1995: 17).

Well obviously that’s now true, as can be seen now looking at the y lineages of North Albanians. Serbs have pushed such a theory for like two centuries but it’s dead in the water now. They did have some presence in Shkoder the city and Ulqin, but as far the highlands go they were always predominantly Albanian.

As for intermarriages, yes they were sort of common. Also the reason why some of these clans switched their language.

[Dick]

They were masacred twice by Montenegrin crown, women, children and elders mostly.

Why?

[Jackson78]

No, the clan itself is R1b-BY611>Z2705 (the Lutovci in other words). Lužani in other hand who were the older layer there are I2a. Crrnci if I am not mistaken are I2a as well or at least part of them. Mugoša as I mentioned are V13.

Crnci are also E-V13.

[Cumansky]

Vlach is a wide term. In this case I meant people that Slavs called "Latins". Latinised natives basically

Linguistic Vlachs is overhyped, what is their significance again? Are they actually from Romania?

Show me this R1B photo, I tell you if Vlach.

[Vukodav]

No, the clan itself is R1b-BY611>Z2705 (the Lutovci in other words). Lužani in other hand who were the older layer there are I2a. Crrnci if I am not mistaken are I2a as well or at least part of them. Mugoša as I mentioned are V13.

Yeah, you seem to be right. It seems that brotherhood Lutovci have a lot of adoptees tho, or at least people who claim origin from them but have totally different haplogroups