Hell is a real place...

**Loki** · 07-14-2019, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by MS85

I think there is 'someone' who we can call GOD. GOD does exist! But I'm sure it doesn't matter for him whether people believe in him or not.

No, it matters for us. However, God cares about us and doesn't want that anyone be lost -- that is why he came down and got born as a man, lived a hard and torturous life so that we could be saved and have eternal life. That means God is very involved in our lives... personally. He loves us.

**arkas** · 07-15-2019, 01:04 AM

Hell, a town in the Netherlands.

**Richmondbread** · 07-15-2019, 02:35 AM

**PaleoEuropean** · 07-15-2019, 04:47 AM

I believe hell is a true place though, I don't think Satan has dominion literally, I think it's his job to tempt people and that it's a parable at the end of the day God has control over all things and has created hell for those who deny him. The devil is weak before the Lord, but his role in tempting man and woman is important to weeding out the good from the bad.

**~~Wanderer~~** · 07-15-2019, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

I believe hell is a true place though, I don't think Satan has dominion literally, I think it's his job to tempt people and that it's a parable at the end of the day God has control over all things and has created hell for those who deny him. The devil is weak before the Lord, but his role in tempting man and woman is important to weeding out the good from the bad.

The Bible is clear that Satan will be tormented eternally in hell, so he is definitely not in charge.(Revelation 20:10). Satan is basically a stooge, as God is completely sovereign. Satan can do absolutely nothing that he isn't permitted to do by God. God ultimately works all things for the good of His children (Romans 8:28), even if there are hiccups along the way.

**PaleoEuropean** · 07-15-2019, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Wanderer

The Bible is clear that Satan will be tormented eternally in hell, so he is definitely not in charge.(Revelation 20:10). Satan is basically a stooge, as God is completely sovereign. Satan can absolutely nothing that he isn't permitted to do by God. God ultimately works all things for the good of His children (Romans 8:28), even if there are hiccups along the way.

You would be surprised at peoples interpretations and what they attribute to Satan.

**Tekken** · 07-15-2019, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Loki

Nope, actually you are badly mistaken my friend

You will one day see for yourself. As will everyone else. It is real. God is real. As real as you and me, in fact even more real.

You are also wrong about God being "invented" to make life more comfortable. There is absolutely no truth to that whatsoever, but it's a common fallacy preached by God-denying atheists.

Both heaven and hell are actual places. You can look in the Christian section, where I have posted plenty of real-life witness testimonies of people who have seen it and went there -- some really respectable and educated, non-emotional people. The evidence is so overwhelming one cannot argue against it anymore. The truth is out there for anyone to see. Only those who don't want to believe, will reject it.

I'm no atheist. However I do not believe in the Hebrew vision of the afterlife. I find it highly unlikely.
What I do believe, the only thing I do believe, is to lead the best life that we can in this existing life, and loyalty to my people.
Everything else does not really matter to me, what happens to my soul, karma, you name it.

**Loki** · 07-15-2019, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tekken

I'm no atheist. However I do not believe in the Hebrew vision of the afterlife. I find it highly unlikely.
What I do believe, the only thing I do believe, is to lead the best life that we can in this existing life, and loyalty to my people.
Everything else does not really matter to me, what happens to my soul, karma, you name it.

That is a very noble goal. However, unfortunately it isn't enough. The thing is, the God as revealed in the Bible is the true God, I can testify to that absolutely. I'm not being biased, I know this for a fact. And I'm no gullible person. God's way to eternal peace and life, is through Jesus Christ. He made it very easy for us.

None of our good works can save us. The "best" person in the world is still on his or her way to hell... the only way to be redeemed from this curse that came upon humanity is to be washed in the blood of the Lamb. When this happens to you, you will know it and your spiritual eyes will open -- and you will also know for sure like I do. The way to get there is to come to God by faith, because the Bible says without faith it is impossible to please God.

Does this mean that it is "make-believe" or fantasy? Absolutely not!! As I said, you will in that moment realise the truth, your spiritual eyes will be opened. It's not easy to try and explain these things to someone with our limited language vocabulary. Because the world around us that we normally perceive is in a lower dimension than the spiritual. So it's virtually impossible to fully understand these things without the enlightenment which comes from the Holy Spirit.

**The Lawspeaker** · 07-15-2019, 02:50 PM

Let me give you another example of Hell:

Anyone who has been through the education system knows this scene: the final exams. "Shivers".

Originally Posted by arkas

Hell, a town in the Netherlands.

More like a three cow hamlet.

**Tekken** · 07-16-2019, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

That is a very noble goal. However, unfortunately it isn't enough. The thing is, the God as revealed in the Bible is the true God, I can testify to that absolutely. I'm not being biased, I know this for a fact. And I'm no gullible person. God's way to eternal peace and life, is through Jesus Christ. He made it very easy for us.

None of our good works can save us. The "best" person in the world is still on his or her way to hell... the only way to be redeemed from this curse that came upon humanity is to be washed in the blood of the Lamb. When this happens to you, you will know it and your spiritual eyes will open -- and you will also know for sure like I do. The way to get there is to come to God by faith, because the Bible says without faith it is impossible to please God.

Does this mean that it is "make-believe" or fantasy? Absolutely not!! As I said, you will in that moment realise the truth, your spiritual eyes will be opened. It's not easy to try and explain these things to someone with our limited language vocabulary. Because the world around us that we normally perceive is in a lower dimension than the spiritual. So it's virtually impossible to fully understand these things without the enlightenment which comes from the Holy Spirit.

I'll remember that answer in my spiritual quest. Thank you.