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Thread: Georgians are genetically equidistant to Balochi and Romanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasso View Post
    Armenians are mixed with Afro Asiatich. They have 6-8% Red Sea and higher East Med than Georgians.
    Armenians are 5% Red Sea in the K13 and K15 spreadsheets. The East Med is at 35% though, I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasso View Post
    Armenians are mixed with Afro Asiatich. They have 6-8% Red Sea and higher East Med than Georgians.
    Afro Asiatich?

    Haber et. al. (2015) for example could not find any traces of admixture among Armenians for at least 4000 years, concluding that:

    “Our tests suggest that Armenians had no significant mixture with other populations in their recent history and have thus been genetically isolated since the end of the Bronze Age.”

    “The position of the Armenians within the global genetic diversity is unique and appears to mirror the geographical location of Anatolia. Armenians’ adoption of a distinctive culture early in their history resulted in their genetic isolation from their surroundings.”

    The same conclusion was reached by Hellenthal et. al. (2014) in their Genetic Atlas of Human Admixture History, published in Science magazine. Because of such findings some scholars have referred to modern Armenians as a “Living Fossil”.
    Other studies investigating ancient DNA collected from burial places have revealed genetic similarities between modern Armenians and ancient inhabitants of the Armenian Highlands. Allentoft et al. (2015) for example observed genetic similarities between Bronze Age individuals (ca. 3,500 years BP) and modern Armenians, and Lazaridis et al. (2016) showed similarity between Chalcolithic (ca. 6,000 years BP) and Bronze Age (ca. 3,500 years BP) individuals excavated in Armenia.

    Prompted by such findings, the Head of the Laboratory of the Institute of Molecular Biodiversity of the National Academy of Sciences Levon Yepiskoposyan has stated in a press conference that:

    “The results of genetic studies have shown that the DNA samples of the Bronze Age individuals that hav\e been found on the territory of Armenia have a genetic portrait that is almost indistinguishable from the genetic portrait of people living today in Armenia”

    “Modern Armenians are direct descendants of the people who lived in the territory of Armenia 5000 years ago.”

    Similar statements have been made by a famous genetics blogger Dienekes where he confirms Armenian genetic continuity but asks if this continuity extends beyond the Bronze Age:

    “Speaking of the Caucasus/Middle East, it seems clear as a first approximation that the Bronze Age Armenians are quite similar to modern Armenians. Whether the genetic continuity of Armenians extends beyond the Bronze Age, or Armenians were formed by mixture in the Bronze Age remains to be seen.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasso View Post
    Armenians are mixed with Afro Asiatich. They have 6-8% Red Sea and higher East Med than Georgians.
    Eurogenes k13 isn't accurate for West Asia. It heavily undermines the CHG component and inflates this mythical East Med component. No Northwest Asian ethnic group has anywhere close to having 30-35% Southwest Asian/East Med.

    Oh, Armenians average roughly 5% Red Sea whereas Western Georgians average 2-3% on that poor calculator.

    puntDNAL K15 is much better for West Asia as well as Eurogenes K12b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinalFlash View Post
    Eurogenes k13 isn't accurate for West Asia. It heavily undermines the CHG component and inflates this mythical East Med component. No Northwest Asian ethnic group has anywhere close to having 30-35% Southwest Asian/East Med.

    Oh, Armenians average roughly 5% Red Sea whereas Western Georgians average 2-3% on that poor calculator.

    puntDNAL K15 is much better for West Asia as well as Eurogenes K12b.
    Yes

    Distance to Armenians based on global25

    3.0275 Assyians
    3.0487 Georgian Jew
    3.3033 Greek Trabzon
    4.4612 Iraqi Jew
    4.9647 Druze
    5.8941 Cypriot
    5.9577 Lebanese Christian
    6.4438 Georgian Imer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasso View Post
    Yes

    Distance to Armenians based on global25

    3.0275 Assyians
    3.0487 Georgian Jew
    3.3033 Greek Trabzon
    4.4612 Iraqi Jew
    4.9647 Druze
    5.8941 Cypriot
    5.9577 Lebanese Christian
    6.4438 Georgian Imer
    Eastern and Western Armenians have genetic differences which these calculators don't highlight. Eastern Georgians and western Georgians have genetic differences which these calculator references, again, don't highlight.

    http://laz-colchis-dna.blogspot.com/...de-dogu_9.html

    Also, why did you exclude Georgian_Laz and Turkish_Trabzon on this oracle? What was the fit distance anyway?

    I will show this to you once I finish compiling my spreadsheet for this custom oracle on puntDNALk15 another user here on TA is currently working on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    You think Southern and Southeastern Georgians would have a shorter distance to Armenians? Kvemo Kartli is like 40% Azerbaijani Turkish by the way.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvemo_Kartli
    Yes. Based off that study and given the fact that they descend from Iberians, they would be significantly closer to Eastern Armenians than Colchians(Western Georgiks/Abkhazians) would be. Nevermind the fact that historically, Armenians have always had a big presence in Eastern Georgia and have incorporated that region into various Armenian kingdoms throughout history. Colchis is a different story entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinalFlash View Post
    Yes. Based off that study and given the fact that they descend from Iberians, they would be significantly closer to Eastern Armenians than Colchians(Western Georgiks/Abkhazians) would be. Nevermind the fact that historically, Armenians have always had a big presence in Eastern Georgia and have incorporated that region into various Armenian kingdoms throughout history. Colchis is a different story entirely.
    Iberians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasso View Post
    Iberians?
    The kingdom of Colchis and the kingdom of Iberia.

    http://realhistoryww.com/world_histo...ast_Iberia.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinalFlash View Post
    Yes. Based off that study and given the fact that they descend from Iberians, they would be significantly closer to Eastern Armenians than Colchians(Western Georgiks/Abkhazians) would be. Nevermind the fact that historically, Armenians have always had a big presence in Eastern Georgia and have incorporated that region into various Armenian kingdoms throughout history. Colchis is a different story entirely.
    Today 70% of Georgian population are descendants of Colchis and come from west Georgia, Also Eastern Georgia heavily mixed with north Caucasians, much more than with Armenians.

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    About 30% of all ethnic Georgians live in the capital, Tbilisi. I would assume many of them have mixed origins as in all capitals.

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