Hungary: the future gypsy nation in Europe

[Vožd]

Social benefits, and lack of care for future

Ironically, bunch of Christians neither care for future and their fertility is completly oposite compared to Roma people.

[Tauromachos]

Hungary has Chessmasters,Nationalists,Stears and Gypsies

[Universe]

^truly a diverse bunch

[ixulescu]

^truly a diverse bunch

Really, I recommend you look in the census data and see the actual fertility rate among gypsies. If it's not way above 2, you're fine.

But I need to stress this - it has to be census data, not crappy self-serving polls done by NGOs.

[Universe]

Really, I recommend you look in the census data and see the actual fertility rate among gypsies. If it's not way above 2, you're fine.

But I need to stress this - it has to be census data, not crappy self-serving polls done by NGOs.

There's no data. There's a study done by University of Debrecen and they found that gypsy population has doubled since 1990, it sounds plausible to me.

[ixulescu]

There's no data. There's a study done by University of Debrecen and they found that gypsy population has doubled since 1990, it sounds plausible to me.

I doubt it on both accounts.

You need to dig deeper, there should be census data with the number of children per woman with a split by ethnicity.

[Universe]

I doubt it on both accounts.

You need to dig deeper, there should be census data with the number of children per woman with a split by ethnicity.

There isn't.

[ixulescu]

There isn't.

It might not be easy to find but it's worth looking for it, because fertility rate can't be faked in the way NGOs do it. They usually say "gypsies do not declare themselves as such", but moving women that self-declared non-gypsy to the gypsy group can only lower the gypsy fertility rate because pretty much all other ethnicities have a lower fertility rate than gypsies.

So the fertility rate for the self-acknowledged gypsies is as high as the gypsy fertility rate can go. If it's not much higher than 2, then it's within reasonable limits, and not much demographic change is to be expected (considering all other factors, like higher mortality among gypsies, nomadism etc).

[Cernunnos]

Hungary has Chessmasters,Nationalists,Stears and Gypsies

And Hungarian Jews winning nobel prizes.

[Cernunnos]

Eastern European Gypsies are on average what? 50-50% European and Non European (South Asian/Middle Eastern).