"Whoever speaks of Europe is wrong, Europe is but a geographical expression." Discuss.

[Creoda]

You could argue that but I'm not sure where the gap is drawn.

It's not so much about drawing a line but when looking at different populations you exclude outliers who are heavily mixed between them, then the gap between Europeans and West Asians is evidently huge.

[Aldaris]

Agreed.

[Insuperable]

It's not so much about drawing a line but when looking at different populations you exclude outliers who are heavily mixed between them, then the gap between Europeans and West Asians is evidently huge.

And how would you draw a line with an existing gradient? Wherever you draw a line some close neighbouring nations or countries would have to be deemed white and non-white respectively.

[Creoda]

And how would you draw a line with an existing gradient? Wherever you draw a line some close neighbouring nations or countries would have to be deemed white and non-white respectively.

I would draw two lines separating Europeans, Meds (mixed), and West Asians.

[Insuperable]

I don't know if it is just my imagination, but I have noticed many forum users (including yourself) are much more apprehensive and ambivalent about European unification and integration - whether as an ideal or a reality - than a few years ago. (The Lawspeaker in particular is much more anti-integration than he was in his first stint in this forum).

Nobody gives a shit about a European unification. I would have guessed that being 6 years on this forum would be enough to realize that. Everyone (or almost everyone) wants diverse Europe in every sense of the word because that is what Europe is and what we like about Europe. Who among Europeans is white or who is closer to whom within Eurooe is totally another matter and doesn't exclude close political and economical cooperation on a world scale. All of your threads are same shit different package driven by your mestizo side and apriori try to exclude all other possibilities.

[Insuperable]

I would draw two lines separating Europeans, Meds (mixed), and West Asians.

I am assuming that Meds stand for European Meds and the last time I checked they are Europeans too. Again clarify more this division. If North Italians for example fall under your European category I am sure North Italians would laugh at you saying yeah right we are Europeans/whites and Tuscans are not. Then Tuscans would say yeah right we are Europeans and so on until you reach Siciliy. Same thing with Hungary and so on.

It is futile to fight against gradient unless it is for your own peace of mind.

[Ruggery]

You could argue that but I'm not sure where the line is drawn.

Are you suggesting that there is more than one race in the European region?
this could be discussed in a thread.

[Creoda]

I am assuming that Meds stand for European Meds and the last time I checked they are Europeans too. Again clarify more this division. If North Italians for example fall under your European category I am sure North Italians would laugh at you saying yeah right we are Europeans/whites and Tuscans are not. Then Tuscans would say yeah right we are Europeans and so on until you reach Siciliy. Same thing with Hungary and so on.

It is futile to fight against gradient unless it is for your own peace of mind.

There would also be a cline between blacks and whites because of mulattoes of various percentages. I guess therefore you can't distinguish Europeans and Africans then. No, mixed outliers are excluded. North Italians and South Slavs are part of the European cluster because they have little to no West Asian admixture.

[MS85]

Caucasoid race (Western Eurasians) can be divided in 7 different subgroups. And there is an OVERLAP between those groups

European Caucasoid groups do cluster pretty close to each other.

[Aldaris]

And how would you draw a line with an existing gradient? Wherever you draw a line some close neighbouring nations or countries would have to be deemed white and non-white respectively.

This is a case of Sorites paradox. I’d say the ‘you know it when you see it’ approach is more practical and intuitive than exact definitions in this matter. Setting a fixed boundary indeed leads to inconsistency.