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    Quote Originally Posted by Voskos View Post
    Lukaszm where are the moderns in the NJT?
    They weren't added to autosomal breakdown table. We must wait for samples, to upload to Gedmatch or check in G25, and then make comparison.

    In the meantime: Matt, commentator from Eurogenes added this breakdown according to haplogroups. Very interesting. R1a isn't very Slavic (Polish admixture).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    They weren't added to autosomal breakdown table. We must wait for samples, to upload to Gedmatch or check in G25, and then make comparison.

    In the meantime: Matt, commentator from Eurogenes added this breakdown according to haplogroups. Very interesting. R1a isn't very Slavic (Polish admixture).

    Isn’t that all the R1a together though? What about L1029/Z280 by themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    Isn’t that all the R1a together though?
    It is. Which makes no sense, he should count it separately for major subclades (Z280, M458, Z284, L664).

    He should also count separately autosomal admixtures for men with R1b-U106 and for men with R1b-P312.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukasz View Post
    They weren't added to autosomal breakdown table. We must wait for samples, to upload to Gedmatch or check in G25, and then make comparison.

    In the meantime: Matt, commentator from Eurogenes added this breakdown according to haplogroups. Very interesting. R1a isn't very Slavic (Polish admixture).

    Interesting. R1a in the Viking "world" is almost as much from British-like remains as from Polish/Slavic-like ones.

    I think the great amount of British-influenced Vikings they found in this study, in Scandinavia alone is the real talking point and not the fact that there were a few Polish Vikings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvinski View Post
    DNA exposing the lies of Canadian TV who made the propaganda TV series in which two Vikings single-handedly defeat the army of East Europeans:



    ^^^ Stupid Canadian cucks (I bet XenophobicPrussian-like people made that TV series!) with their Anti-Balto-Slavic propaganda, while the reality was... :

    https://periklisdeligiannis.wordpres...h-mercenaries/

    http://www.lodose.eu/wp-content/uplo...3%A4lv-eng.pdf

    https://slavicchronicles.com/history...n-scandinavia/

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...n_Konungahella

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kungah%C3%A4lla

    https://kopenhaga.msz.gov.pl/en/bila...tic_relations/

    http://main5.amu.edu.pl/~rafalp/sigr...ietmar-eng.htm
    ?

    I've been saying Sweden has around 10% Slavic admixture for a year now, the fuck you smoking? What does a battle between Vikings and Slavs have to do with any of this? The Polish samples among the Vikings are either mercenaries or recruited thralls that earned their freedom, and neither you or me have any idea whether the majority of Slavic admixture in Swedes comes from thralls or Slavs imposing themselves on Scandinavians(raids, conquest, whatever).
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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    There's a lot of I1 and even a few G2 Ydna's found. What about them? So the R1a were Slavs?


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    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...03405.full.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    There's a lot of I1 and even a few G2 Ydna's found. What about them? So the R1a were Slavs?


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    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...03405.full.pdf
    A good amount of the R1a was still Z284. However a few of the M458 were east European like. Perhaps early assimilation considering the material culture of the gravesites. 2 of the M458 were Rus Vikings. One of which was a prince. Z280 were Balto-Slavic and Finnish like.

    The Danish L1029 was Viking era, the other 2(one of which was YP417) was likely later Rus Viking. There was a handful of I2a1b as well that were autosomally mostly East European. Sadly no STRS only SNPS. The early Viking were all I1/Z284. These were all between 9-13th century so long after the Slavic tribes intermingled with the surrounding groups.

    Hopefully we eventually get pre-migration/Bronze and Iron Age samples that can better display migratory origin.

    There’s Wielbark and Przeworsk papers coming out years end and I heard something was in the works regarding the Tollense battle(hopefully Ydna).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    A good amount of the R1a was still Z284. However a few of the M458 were east European like. Perhaps early assimilation considering the material culture of the gravesites. 2 of the M458 were Rus Vikings. One of which was a prince. Z280 were Balto-Slavic and Finnish like.

    The Danish L1029 was Viking era, the other 2(one of which was YP417) was likely later Rus Viking. There was a handful of I2a1b as well that were autosomally mostly East European. Sadly no STRS only SNPS. The early Viking were all I1/Z284. These were all between 9-13th century so long after the Slavic tribes intermingled with the surrounding groups.

    Hopefully we eventually get pre-migration/Bronze and Iron Age samples that can better display migratory origin.

    There’s Wielbark and Przeworsk papers coming out years end and I heard something was in the works regarding the Tollense battle(hopefully Ydna).
    Wielbark paper came out a few years ago. There was no R1a/b among Goths.

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...edieval-Poland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Wielbark paper came out a few years ago. There was no R1a/b among Goths.

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...edieval-Poland
    Another one coming according to Waldemar from Anthrogenica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Wielbark paper came out a few years ago. There was no R1a/b among Goths.

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...edieval-Poland
    We avoided some of these obstacles by analyzing DNA from ten Viking Age subjects that at the time of sampling were untouched by humans for 1,000 years. We removed teeth from the subjects prior to handling by archaeologists and anthropologists using protective equipment. An additional tooth was removed after standard archaeological and anthropological handling. All pre-PCR work was carried out in a “clean- laboratory” dedicated solely to ancient DNA work. Mitochondrial DNA was extracted and overlapping fragments spanning the HVR-1 region as well as diagnostic sites in the coding region were PCR amplified, cloned and sequenced. Consistent results were obtained with the “unhandled” teeth and there was no indication of contamination, while the latter was the case with half of the “handled” teeth. The results allowed the unequivocal assignment of a specific haplotype to each of the subjects, all haplotypes being compatible in their character states with a phylogenetic tree drawn from present day European populations. Several of the haplotypes are either infrequent or have not been observed in modern Scandinavians. The observation of haplogroup I in the present study (<2% in modern Scandinavians) supports our previous findings of a pronounced frequency of this haplogroup in Viking and Iron Age Danes.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0002214


    The 2%=I2 as l1 is found in much larger numbers, R1a was mostly brought back by Swedes and Norwegians as Thralls, Mercenaries and adoptees. Modern populations aren't reliable for past populations.
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    Celt + Frank (4.869)
    Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.463)
    Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.545)
    Celt + Saxon (5.789)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.283)
    Celt (6.539)
    Frank (10.13)
    Viking Icelandic (10.34)
    Viking Danish (10.4)
    Saxon (10.79)

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    Celt + Belgae (4.016)
    Viking Danish + Belgae (5.555)
    Belgae + Frank (5.797)
    Celt + Frank (6.031)
    Celt (6.297)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.441)
    Belgae (8.662)
    Viking Danish (8.925)
    Frank (9.409)
    Saxon (10.83)

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