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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    Another one coming according to Waldemar from Anthrogenica.
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    Exploring twenty-two SNPs with large effect associated with eye color and hair pigmentation, we
    450 observe that their frequencies are very similar to those of present-day Scandinavians (Supplementary
    451 Note 13). This suggests that pigmentation phenotype in VA Scandinavians may not have differed
    452 much from the present-day occupants of the region
    (although see section on complex traits below for
    453 an analysis including alleles of small effect). Nevertheless, it is important to stress that there is quite
    454 a lot of variation in the genotypes of these SNPs across the sequenced samples, and that there is
    455 therefore not a single ‘Viking phenotype’.
    For example, two of the ancient samples with the highest
    456 coverage have different pigmentation phenotypes: VA individual VK42 from Skara, Sweden has
    457 alleles associated with brown eyes and darker hair coloration while VK1 from Greenland was likely
    458 to have had blue eyes and lighter hair.
    Forward this to braindead mudicist troll Renaissance12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    We avoided some of these obstacles by analyzing DNA from ten Viking Age subjects that at the time of sampling were untouched by humans for 1,000 years. We removed teeth from the subjects prior to handling by archaeologists and anthropologists using protective equipment. An additional tooth was removed after standard archaeological and anthropological handling. All pre-PCR work was carried out in a “clean- laboratory” dedicated solely to ancient DNA work. Mitochondrial DNA was extracted and overlapping fragments spanning the HVR-1 region as well as diagnostic sites in the coding region were PCR amplified, cloned and sequenced. Consistent results were obtained with the “unhandled” teeth and there was no indication of contamination, while the latter was the case with half of the “handled” teeth. The results allowed the unequivocal assignment of a specific haplotype to each of the subjects, all haplotypes being compatible in their character states with a phylogenetic tree drawn from present day European populations. Several of the haplotypes are either infrequent or have not been observed in modern Scandinavians. The observation of haplogroup I in the present study (<2% in modern Scandinavians) supports our previous findings of a pronounced frequency of this haplogroup in Viking and Iron Age Danes.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0002214


    The 2%=I2 as l1 is found in much larger numbers, R1a was mostly brought back by Swedes and Norwegians as Thralls, Mercenaries and adoptees. Modern populations aren't reliable for past populations.
    I don't know what they use to determine haplogroups with these ancient samples, STRs or SNPs.

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    This dude did a video on the paper


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    I don't know what they use to determine haplogroups with these ancient samples, STRs or SNPs.
    Honestly I am not sure, they never talk about their study methods specifically.
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    Celt + Frank (4.869)
    Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.463)
    Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.545)
    Celt + Saxon (5.789)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.283)
    Celt (6.539)
    Frank (10.13)
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    Celt + Belgae (4.016)
    Viking Danish + Belgae (5.555)
    Belgae + Frank (5.797)
    Celt + Frank (6.031)
    Celt (6.297)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.441)
    Belgae (8.662)
    Viking Danish (8.925)
    Frank (9.409)
    Saxon (10.83)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Honestly I am not sure, they never talk about their study methods specifically.
    There's a basal IJ in there as well which is fucking impossible. I'm guessing they uses STRs which can be inaccurate. Ftdna had me at I-M710 for a while at 37 markers and I'm a living being, also not contaminated afaik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    There's a basal IJ in there as well which is fucking impossible. I'm guessing they uses STRs which can be inaccurate. Ftdna had me at I-M710 for a while at 37 markers and I'm a living being, also not contaminated afaik.
    I hear stories of I people all the time getting changes or mistakes in their clades and subclades. I wonder why others don't of that problem.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

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    Celt + Frank (4.869)
    Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.463)
    Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.545)
    Celt + Saxon (5.789)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.283)
    Celt (6.539)
    Frank (10.13)
    Viking Icelandic (10.34)
    Viking Danish (10.4)
    Saxon (10.79)

    kit 2
    Celt + Belgae (4.016)
    Viking Danish + Belgae (5.555)
    Belgae + Frank (5.797)
    Celt + Frank (6.031)
    Celt (6.297)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.441)
    Belgae (8.662)
    Viking Danish (8.925)
    Frank (9.409)
    Saxon (10.83)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    I hear stories of I people all the time getting changes or mistakes in their clades and subclades. I wonder why others don't of that problem.
    That's a good question. I ended up doing the Big Y because it tests for SNPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    That's a good question. I ended up doing the Big Y because it tests for SNPs.
    Everybody wants to be Johnny Viking but nobody is willing to raid and plunder a small medieval village. At someone point people have to prove themselves.
    Last edited by Daco Celtic; 07-19-2019 at 05:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    Everybody wants to be Johnny Viking but nobody is willing to raid and plunder a village anymore. At someone point people have to prove themselves.
    What does this have to do with what I said.

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