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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    The Phoenicians copied Greek gods after they got cucked by the largely Hellenic Greek people, but no, they were actually Semites.
    The Semitic languages evolved from the J1 linage and it was this linage who became the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians and Palestinians when they mixed with the northern African E-M35 parent linage that was evolved 30,000 years ago.

    The term Semitic should NEVER be used to describe the Afro-Asiatic language group since Shem the son of Noah (Ogyges) was an Indo-European by descent.

    Shem was the brother of Japeth of Iapetus who was the ancestor of Greeks, Thracians, Rhodiains, and Cretans.

    Lud the progenitor of the Lydians was a son of Shem and the Lydians were Europeans that spoke the Greco-Hittite dialect from which proto-Greek derives.

    All of Noah’s descendents were so-called Indo-European tribes and had nothing to do with the Afro-Asiatics which the bible clearly differentiates from the sons of Noah as being pre-extant.

    It’s time to abandon the racist prejudice instituted by Macabee Jews who falsely claim descent from Noah (Ogyges/Noah) in order to make political claim of Palestine or Pelasgia. Judas Macabee was an Arab descended from J1 and his language group was Akkadian, closely related to Arabic. The name Palestine alone indicates that it was a Indo-European land.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    The Phoenicians copied Greek gods after they got cucked by the largely Hellenic Greek people, but no, they were actually Semites.
    Phoenician is a tribal name to denote the descendants of Phoenix, who was a Greek and who’s family ruled over Egypt.

    The Phoenician pantheon was based on ancestry worship. The Phoenicians share some Greeks Gods like El (Cronos/Saturn) and Poseidon because those were Hyksos kings and Phoenix was a descendant of the Greek egyptian dynasty where Zeus previously as Sheshi ruled Greece and Egypt, and Epaphus I/Apepi the son of Io the sister of Phoroneus, ruled Peloponnesus and Egypt.

    Those Phoenicians were there before the Cannaites came from the Red sea and the Exodus of the ”Jews” from Egypt, who weren’t really Jews but Sea peoples and Hittites. These people Judas Maccabe made into Jews. Cadmus and Phoenix invented the Phoenician script which Phoenix brought to Phoenicians and Cadmus to Greece. There was a change in material culture brought on about by Phoenix, as previously they were using cuneiform.

    The Phoenicians did not copy those Gods, they were descended from Poseidon, and El=Cronus(Saturn), and Zeus and from the Hyksos kings of Egypt.

    Chronos known to the Romans as Saturn is an exact match for Satur the king at Knossos between 1700 BC to 1675 BC whose name is inscribe in Linear. The Phoenicians worshipped him because Phoenix and the Minoan and Phillistine people of Phoenicia descended from him. The Romans worshipped him because his dominion extended to half of Italy which used to be called Saturnia in those times.

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    We never experienced the Byzantine Empire in its glory so we do not know, fully.

    But if I want an idea on how it was then I will turn to foreigners and how Russians were baptized according to them.

    After reading how Russians were baptised then I have no doubt the Byzantine in its natural order was Glorious.

    Vladimir summoned together his vassals and the city elders, and said to them: "Behold, the Bulgars came before me urging me to accept their religion. Then came the Germans and praised their own faith; and after them came the Jews. Finally the Greeks appeared, criticising all other faiths but commanding their own, and they spoke at length, telling the history of the whole world from its beginning. Their words were artful, and it was wondrous to listen and pleasant to hear them. They preach the existence of another world. 'Whoever adopts our religion and then dies shall arise and live forever. But whosoever embraces another faith, shall be consumed with fire in the next world.' What is your opinion on this subject, and what do you answer?" The vassals and the elders replied: "You know, O Prince, that no man condemns his own possessions, but praises them instead. If you desire to make certain, you have servants at your disposal. Send them to inquire about the ritual of each and how he worships God. " Their counsel pleased the prince and all the people, so that they chose good and wise men to the number of ten, and directed them to go first among the Bulgars and inspect their faith. The emissaries went their way, and when they arrived at their destination they beheld the disgraceful actions of the Bulgars and their worship in the mosque; then they returned to their own country. Vladimir then instructed them to go likewise among the Germans, and examine their faith, and finally to visit the Greeks. They thus went into Germany, and after viewing the German ceremonial, they proceeded to Constantinople where they appeared before the emperor. He inquired on what mission they had come, and they reported to him all that had occurred.. When the emperor heard their words, he rejoiced, and did them great honour on that very day.

    On the morrow, the emperor sent a message to the patriarch to inform him that a Russian delegation had arrived to examine the Greek faith, and directed him to prepare the church and the clergy, and to array himself in his sacerdotal robes, so that the Russians might behold the glory of the God of the Greeks. When the patriarch received these commands, he bade the clergy assemble, and they performed the customary rites. They burned incense, and the choirs sang hymns. The emperor accompanied the Russians to the church, and placed them in a wide space, calling their attention to the beauty of the edifice, the chanting, and the offices of the archpriest and the ministry of the deacons, while he explained to them the worship of his God. The Russians were astonished, and in their wonder praised the Greek ceremonial. Then the Emperors Basil and Constantine invited the envoys to their presence, and said, "Go hence to your native country," and thus dismissed them with valuable presents and great honour. Thus they returned to their own country, and the prince called together his vassals and the elders. Vladimir then announced the return of the envoys who had been sent out, and suggested that their report be heard. He thus commanded them to speak out before his vassals. The envoys reported: "When we journeyed among the Bulgars, we beheld how they worship in their temple, called a mosque, while they stand ungirt. The Bulgarian bows, sits down, looks hither and thither like one possessed, and there is no happiness among them, but instead only sorrow and a dreadful stench. Their religion is not good. Then we went among the Germans, and saw them performing many ceremonies in their temples; but we beheld no glory there. Then we went on to Greece, and the Greeks led us to the edifices where they worship their God, and we knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth. For on earth there is no such splendour or such beauty, and we are at a loss how to describe it. We know only that God dwells there among men, and their service is fairer than the ceremonies of other nations. For we cannot forget that beauty. Every man, after tasting something sweet, is afterward unwilling to accept that which is bitter, and therefore we cannot dwell longer here." Then the vassals spoke and said, "If the Greek faith were evil, it would not have been adopted by your grandmother Olga, who was wiser than all other men." Vladimir then inquired where they should all accept baptism, and they replied that the decision rested with him.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

    Definition of untrustworthy and loose character are those that don't believe in God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    There is no proof that Greeks lived in Greece during the 5th and 4th millenium B.C.,while objects like obsidian were traded all over the Mediterranean and beyond at the time. There is no relation between the extant Sumerian inscriptions and the Greek language.
    The differentiation in languages must have happened in 5000 BC at the latest and that means that the Hittites must have already been in Anatolia at this time, meaning also that the Greeks must also have been in Greece.

    According to the Indo-European theory the evidence of the Hittite, Phrygian and Armenian civilisations languages shows that Greeks must have already been in Macedonia in 5000 BC otherwise the distinction between their languages would not exist. The Indo-European people of Greece, Asia-Minor and the Middle East spoke a common language about 9000 years ago. This is where the Proto-Indo-European language was disseminated from.

    There’s much evidence that suggest extensive J2 and E colonisation of Syria-Palestine and Mesopotamia before the emergence of the Sumerians. The oldest stone built settlements in this region are not in Mesopotamia but in Anatolia and date back 20,000 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    The differentiation in languages must have happened in 5000 BC at the latest and that means that the Hittites must have already been in Anatolia at this time, meaning also that the Greeks must also have been in Greece.
    Based upon what evidence?

    According to the Indo-European theory the evidence of the Hittite, Phrygian and Armenian civilisations languages shows that Greeks must have already been in Macedonia in 5000 BC otherwise the distinction between their languages would not exist.
    According to the IndoEuropean theory, Greek arrived in Macedonia and then spread to Greece between 2.600 B.C. and 2.300 B.C.

    The Indo-European people of Greece, Asia-Minor and the Middle East spoke a common language about 9000 years ago. This is where the Proto-Indo-European language was disseminated from.
    That is supposedly Mallorys' theory. It doesn't hold ground because all of the indigenous languages of Asia Minor like Hurrian were non-IndoEuropean.

    There’s much evidence that suggest extensive J2 and E colonisation of Syria-Palestine and Mesopotamia before the emergence of the Sumerians. The oldest stone built settlements in this region are not in Mesopotamia but in Anatolia and date back 20,000 years.
    Yes, the Sumerians are not that old, nevertheless, they weren't IndoEuropean anyway. If they were, their language would fully deciphered by now.

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    none of the above (Byzantine & Ottoman)


    Umayyad Caliphate and British Empire

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    I like Byzantine costumes more but Ottomans were better at justice and government.

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    The Byzantine Empire was the Envyof the world, the Ottoman Empire was the Shame of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    The Byzantine Empire was the Envyof the world, the Ottoman Empire was the Shame of the world.
    Some Greeks have a different view:

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    The Byzantine Empire was the Envyof the world, the Ottoman Empire was the Shame of the world.
    You again! Hello, long time no see!!! How are you pal? How is Karabakh war going? You lastly reported that Azerbaijan army collapsed and armenian army was marching towrds Baku, is there any updates?

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