Byzantine Empire vs Ottoman Empire

[wvwvw]

The Russian Empire was the true successor of Byzantium, after the fall many members of the aristocracy and clergy found shelter in Russia, which became the guide of the whole Orthodox community.





Ottoman Turks were just invaders with an alien religion, they had nothing to do as Byzantium successors.

Russia was never a Rome, was very different from the USSR which was again never anything like a Rome.

That’s like saying Germany is the successor of the Roman Empire. At least the germanic Holy Roman Empire pretended to have the Roman connection. And if we want to play with titles, Germany's king as Kaiser (=Caesar)? Russia was but a construct of the Viking Rus with Tartar overlay, with nothing to do with Rome.

The Muslim World also followed the Byzantines in not recognizing the legitimacy of the "Holy Roman Empire" as a successor to Rome and followed Byzantine practice of refferring it as the Empire of the Franks (Frangoi in Greek / 'ifranj in Arabic) and "Frankish" became the designation of Western Europeans in general. The Ottomans simply used the Slavic word for Germany, Nemche.

[wvwvw]

I consider the Ottoman emipre to be the successor of the Byzantine empire.

And the Nazis borrowed the Indian Swastica. Does that make them a successor of the Hindu kingdoms?

The Ottomans never saw themselves as successors of the Byzantine Empire. They traced their roots to central Asia, their religion and language from outside the Roman Empire and treated the people they massacred and displaced as dhimmis. Clearly they were not successors but invaders who subjugated the natives, massacred, displaced them and imposed an alien culture on them.

[Annihilus]

And the Nazis borrowed the Indian Swastica. Does that make them a successor of the Hindu kingdoms?

The Ottomans never saw themselves as successors of the Byzantine Empire. They traced their roots to central Asia, their religion and language from outside the Roman Empire and treated the people they massacred and displaced as dhimmis. Clearly they were not successors but invaders who subjugated the natives, massacred, displaced them and imposed an alien culture on them.

ok we are mongol aliens, fine by me too

[blogen]

That's your cute narrative to justify your oriental slavic, uralic and magyar(turkic) origin. I spit on Hungarian culture.

Guy, your nation is Balkanite (Greeks, Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Romanians = same oriental world). Nobody see tbe difference between this in here, in Europe. Everything on your Southeast is something under the European culture, so what justify? We dont need, the Europeans are deeply racist in the southern question!

[Voskos]

We "Europeans" . Hungarians are not Europeans. Thats what you fail to understand.

Being racist or not is irrelevant, Chinese , gypsies and niggers are also racist towards me but that doesn't make them European.

[Carpatz]

Guy, your nation is Balkanite (Greeks, Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Romanians = same oriental world). Nobody see tbe difference between this in here, in Europe. Everything on your Southeast is something under the European culture, so what justify? We dont need, the Europeans are deeply racist in the southern question!

[Vožd]

Byzantine have no successor. Fall of Byzantine was the final end of Roman Empire.

[Blondie]

We "Europeans" . Hungarians are not Europeans. Thats what you fail to understand.

Being racist or not is irrelevant, Chinese , gypsies and niggers are also racist towards me but that doesn't make them European.

According to genetic hungarians are more europeans than greeks by far What makes you european? Only your genetic...

[Mingle]

First of all, Christianity is equally alien. It's all the same middle eastern mumbo jumbo. And the genetic shift was about 5-10%, more or less same people, just a different brand.

It doesn't matter if its mumbo jumo, there isn't any continuity between the Byzantine and Ottoman empires.

[wvwvw]

Quote Originally Posted by Annihilus View Post
First of all, Christianity is equally alien. It's all the same middle eastern mumbo jumbo. And the genetic shift was about 5-10%, more or less same people, just a different brand.

Christianity is not alien, it was born within the Hellenistic Roman Empire. It is the merging of the Elohim Gods of Phoenicians, one of who was Greek Cronos (Saturn), with the God of Plato.

The Phoenicians also included the Greek Phillistines. The Elohim is plural for Gods and specifically refers to the Gods who were allied to El (Kronos). Shasu refers to Zeus who was pharao of Egypt. We already know that Greeks were also worshipping Zeus and Kronos and had colonies in Palestine at the time of Exodus and even earlier still. The Jews worshipped the Phoenician pantheon.