Byzantine Empire vs Ottoman Empire

[blogen]

I'am not an Arab, Kurd, Turk, etcl, I'am a superior Greek... blahblah

Sorry, you are.

[blogen]

Cool story but, the Barbarians "destroyed" nothing, they instead adopted Romans custom through all the Middle Ages and beyond. And lol at "Germanics are European while Romans aren't".

What Roman custom? Germanic law, religion, army, social order. Yes, sure.

[blogen]

Yes our ancestors had same choice and chose the west.
But your Koppany was baptised orthodox wasn't he ?

He saw Istvan as sellout and slave. He did not want foreign priests and feudalism in Hungaria

He also claim Istvan become King illegaly following western primogenitura laws unlike Hungarian tribal laws where uncle has advantage ? What if Byzantine alligned Koppany won ?

I watched this in your Rock Opera Istvan Kiraly, correct me if wrong. Koppany shown as romantic barbarian and Istvan rational European.

The Byzantine politics towards the Magyars was the corruption, because their aim was the disintegration of the Magyar society. Koppány, Ajtony, Gyula were their allies, while István search for support between the Germans. He was lucky, because the cure for the disintegration of the grandprincipalty was the western feudalizmus and the Byzantine curroption and social disorder. Basically this was the background of the civil war.

ps. Koppany was not a romantic pagan rebel. There were pagan rebellions in the 11th century, but these were antifeudal movements, mostly on the former territories of Ajtony and Koppány.

[MinervaItalica]

What Roman custom? Germanic law, religion, army, social order. Yes, sure.

No, Romans customs. Especially the ones who came in Italy got Christianized and assimilated into the Italian society not the other way round.

They abandoned (and sometimes violently repressed) Paganism in favor of Roman Catholicism.

The Germanic eagle is a Roman symbol, texts were in Latin as it was the official language of the HRE.

Several Latin law codes of the Germanic peoples written in the Early Middle Ages after the Fall of the Western Roman Empire (also known as leges barbarorum "laws of the barbarians") survive, dating to between the 5th and 9th centuries. They are influenced by Roman law, canon law, and earlier tribal customs.

Germanic law was codified in writing under the influence of Roman law; previously it was held in the memory of designated individuals who acted as judges in confrontations and meted out justice according to customary rote, based on careful memorization of precedent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Germanic_law

[blogen]

No, Romans customs.

If everything is German in a society, then what customs? The Germanic law ruled even Italy since the Langobards! And the codified Germanic law bas basically their tradional legal customs with very minor late-Roman effect. Yes, the language of the medieval church was Latin, without any Roman thing. Only a language, this almost nothing was basically the only existing remains of the Roman world in the medieval Europe.

[Blondie]

Because I am Eurasian racially and proud of my barbarian ancestors! But our story not connected the essence of this question: the barbarian whom founded Europe destroyed the Roman heritage while the orientals in the Eastern Roman Empire not. And this was the main difference between the story of the East and the West. The Byzantines where somewhat successors, while the first Europeans, the Germans are not. And when the Slavs and Magyars joined to the club, our ancestors choosed the Germanic religion, law and culture and not the Byzantine. Especially Géza and István the grandprince and the first king, whom choosed the German feudalism and the western christianity contrary with the developed, but despotic byzantine culture and religion! The main event in the Hungarian history was the choose, between the vigorous and free West and the corrupt and despotic Byzantine Oriens.

The Eastern Slavs choosed the Byzantine opinion. This is their tragedy until today.

The common thing betwen the Germans, (Huns, Avars) Magyars and Slavs is the barbarism of our ancestors. This barbarism destroyed every Roman thing and cleared Europe from the tyranny. All hail to Alaric, Attila and Árpád!

1. You are european not asian stop larping. Hungarians have no asian genetic only 0-1%.
2. The successor state of Western Roman Empire was the Holy Roman Empire, so present day Germany and North Italy.
3. Kingdom of Hungary choosed the roman catholic religion they were converted by the teutonic knight and St. Stephen, this religion is not german, but roman cultural influence. The centre of catholicism is Rome until the present day. The western european laws, culture etc is based on roman laws.

[Blondie]

The Byzantine politics towards the Magyars was the corruption, because their aim was the disintegration of the Magyar society. Koppány, Ajtony, Gyula were their allies, while István search for support between the Germans. He was lucky, because the cure for the disintegration of the grandprincipalty was the western feudalizmus and the Byzantine curroption and social disorder. Basically this was the background of the civil war.

ps. Koppany was not a romantic pagan rebel. There were pagan rebellions in the 11th century, but these were antifeudal movements, mostly on the former territories of Ajtony and Koppány.

Koppany was pagan not eastern christian, there is no source that Koppany was ortodox. Koppany represented the old nomadic life style and pagan traditions against catholic St Stephen.

[Jana]

Koppany was pagan not eastern christian, there is no source that Koppany was ortodox. Koppany represented the old nomadic life style and pagan traditions against catholic St Stephen.

It is mentioned in the Opera he took eastern Christian rite but remained Pagan in reality and this was pure formality go get potential Byzantine support had he defeated Istvan.

That is how I undedstood it at least. My guess is Opera was carefully made using historical facts.

[Insuperable]

Ottoman Empire was the most shittiest empire ever.

[wvwvw]

The Byzantine politics towards the Magyars was the corruption, because their aim was the disintegration of the Magyar society. Koppány, Ajtony, Gyula were their allies, while István search for support between the Germans. He was lucky, because the cure for the disintegration of the grandprincipalty was the western feudalizmus and the Byzantine curroption and social disorder. Basically this was the background of the civil war.

ps. Koppany was not a romantic pagan rebel. There were pagan rebellions in the 11th century, but these were antifeudal movements, mostly on the former territories of Ajtony and Koppány.

Oh the corrupted Byzantines again! And yet the Byzantine Empire was a stable and functioning society that lasted over 1000 years, a highly civilized society and one of the longest lasting empires ever. Clearly they wouldn't have lasted that long if they were so corrupted. Even from the 9th C the Empire lasted over 600 more years longer than any other civilisation in the allotted time span.

On the other hand, Charlemagne's kingdom was based on fraud and treachery. It was this particular idea of Europe that we have fought throughout our history.

Byzantium is a byname for the Roman Empire and its legitimacy is unassailable. Charlemagne, on the other hand, was a barbarian chief who resorted to fraud to set up a cessessionist kingdom in a part of the world that was officially still part of the Roman Empire. It was never recognised as anything more than a temporary arrangement either by the Greek Caesars or the Ottoman Sultans. In protocol, the Habsburg king equals the Ottoman Grand Vezir in his rank, not the Sultan himself.