Syria safe zone

[Petros Houhoulis]

If Turkey refuses the U.S. entreaty, the administration has made clear that it cannot, under existing congressional authorities, intervene to protect the Kurdish fighters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.7fb32942a74b

Look there are 4.5m Syrians in Turkey, they can't stay for ever, so they need a safe place. Or Europe wants them ofc.

Who told you that the Sultan plans, or even wants to send the Syrians back to Syria? Do you know who they vote for in the Turkish elections after all???

Even if you wanted to, you cannot move them even outside of a single city!!!

Europe does not need or want all of those people that you rendered refugees. You destroyed their lives, you shall pay for it!!!

Anyway, if you were a man and not the chickenshit canine that you really are, you would state your name here, and I would make sure than a Syrian would visit you in order to clarify with you your opinion on the status of water as a "resource".

Hopefully, he would be tempted to classify your fat as a resource and proceed upon making soap out of your fat...

[Annihilus]

Who told you that the Sultan plans, or even wants to send the Syrians back to Syria? Do you know who they vote for in the Turkish elections after all???

Even if you wanted to, you cannot move them even outside of a single city!!!

Europe does not need or want all of those people that you rendered refugees. You destroyed their lives, you shall pay for it!!!

Anyway, if you were a man and not the chickenshit canine that you really are, you would state your name here, and I would make sure than a Syrian would visit you in order to clarify with you your opinion on the status of water as a "resource".

Hopefully, he would be tempted to classify your fat as a resource and proceed upon making soap out of your fat...

sounds like a death threat to me

[wvwvw]

Esper: US intends to prevent Turkey invasion into Syria

TOKYO (AP) — U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday that the U.S. intends to prevent any unilateral invasion by Turkey into northern Syria, saying any such move by the Turks would be unacceptable.

https://www.apnews.com/d8444f9764ce4be6bdfa68aa3c9051f7

[Petros Houhoulis]

sounds like a death threat to me

It is Quid pro Quo against your stance towards the Syrians and Iraqis, many of whom died because Turkey stole their water resources. Nevertheless, theoretically, someone could harvest your fat while you are still alive:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523...ry_pl#synopsis

That night the narrator joins Tyler while he steals human fat out of the dumpster of a liposuction clinic. Tyler says that the best fat for making the soap he sells comes from human beings. Back in their kitchen, Tyler shows the narrator how to render tallow from the fat. After explaining a bit about the history of soapmaking, Tyler plants a wet kiss on the back of the narrator's hand and dumps pure lye on the spot, causing a horrific chemical burn. Tyler refuses to let the narrator wash the lye off his hand, saying that water will worsen the burn, and tells the narrator that the burn is a rite of passage -- Tyler has burned his own hand in an identical way. Tyler also forces the narrator to accept allegiance to him and then neutralizes the burn with vinegar. Later, when they meet with a cosmetics salesperson at a department store, the narrator remarks that Tyler's soap sells for a very high price.

It would be ideal if an Iraqi or Syrian were to immobilize you, perform liposuction upon you and then turned your excess fat into soap. It would be a win-win situation since you would lose weight too!!!

Anyway, do not forget that Allah wants you dead by now, and I am unsure if someone under demonic possession would kill you because you stole the water of the Euphrates:

"The time for the water of the Euphrates to drain and to display its treasure of gold is approaching. He who is present then must not take anything from it." Is there such a hadith? Will you explain how we should understand that hadith?


Submitted by Editor (editor) on Fri, 28/09/2018 - 12:04

Dear Brother / Sister,
Abu Hurayra narrates:
The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said,

"Doomsday will not strike before the Euphrates uncovers a mountain of gold. People will fight for it. Ninety-nine out of each one hundred will be killed. Every one of them will think, ‘I will probably win the fight.’" [Bukhari, Fitan 24; Muslim, Fitan 29, (2894); Abu Dawud, Malahim 13, (4313, 4314); Tirmidhi, Jannah 26, (2572, 2573)]

EXPLANATION:
1. In a version of the hadith in Bukhari, the following addition exists: "He who is present then must not take anything from it." Acting upon the phrase "must not take anything from it", Ibn Hajar states that this gold can be in the form of dinars (coins), lumps of gold or gold dust, and that all of them are possible.
2. In a narration the phrase “mountain of gold” and in another narration, the phrase "golden treasure (kanz)" is used. It is stated that ‘mountain’ expresses plenitude.
3. Ibnut-Tin explains the reason for the prohibition of taking anything from that treasure as "the treasure belonging to all Muslims. In that case, a person can take only his share from it." He continues as follows: "If anyone takes from it and increases his wealth, it will be of no use and he will regret. If a mountain of gold appears, gold will lose its value; therefore, it is not desired."
Ibn Hajar does not find this interpretation appropriate and states the following: "What he says is not clear in the hadith. What is clear is this: It is forbidden to take from it because mischief will occur and people will fight if people take from it." He also includes the following possibility: "The wisdom behind the prohibition to take from it is that it will occur at a time when it is needed very little or not needed at all." Ibn Hajar states that the first possibility overweighs and he shows the version of the hadith included in Muslim and accepted in Taysir as evidence. In addition, he supports this view with the following narration in Muslim:

"...The Euphrates will soon uncover a mountain of gold and when the people hear it, they will flock toward it. The people near the river will say, “If we allow these people to take out of it, they will take away all of it."
The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) added:
"So, they will fight for it and ninety-nine out of one hundred will be killed."

Ibn Hajar states the following: "This shows that the reason Ibn Tin imagines is wrong. The reason for the prohibition is the result of taking from it: war..." There is no drawback to this incidence happening and the appearance of fire for gathering (mahshar). However, this cannot be a reason for its prohibition. Ibn Majah reports the following hadith from Thawban as marfu: "Three groups will fight near your treasury. Each one is a son of a caliph..." Ibn Majah includes the hadith in the chapter related to Mahdi. If the treasure mentioned here is the treasure mentioned in the hadith we are dealing with, this (being under the river) will occur when Mahdi emerges. This is definitely before the descent of Hz. Isa (Jesus) and the emergence of the fire.
Many massacres occurred near the Euphrates up to now. The massacres of Iraq and Iran occurred recently. In 1958, a big massacre occurred near the Euphrates and the grandchildren of the Messenger of Allah were killed. However, it is probably not appropriate to deduce these two incidents from the hadith above.
It might imply a period when the water of the Euphrates will be very valuable like gold metaphorically; the revenues to be obtained from the dams on the Euphrates might be indicated with the word "gold". Besides, big gold and petrol areas to be found underground after the water of the Euphrates is drained might be indicated. In addition, it is possible to find such valuable elements after land subsidence. There is no doubt that a potential danger like dynamite exists in that region of the Islamic world. They are not things that have occurred up to now but the incidents that will occur in the future. The people who will witness those days will heartily say, "O Messenger of Allah! You have told the truth"and renew their belief.

[Annihilus]

Turkey, U.S. agree to form joint operation centre for Syria safe zone

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1UX0Y9

[Petros Houhoulis]

Turkey, U.S. agree to form joint operation centre for Syria safe zone

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1UX0Y9

Yes, the typical Sudetenland ploy as expected:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudete...Sudeten_Crisis

If Turkey needs to "clear" all of the YPG in Syria it would have to invade all of the YPG controlled area in Syria, not just a buffer zone of "x miles buffer zone from the Turkish border" which means that a) Either the Sultan was joking when he suggested that he shall "destroy the Kurdish terror" or b) he is simply going to betray the plan and take over all of the YPG controlled areas, Sudeten style. I bet on the second possibility, since the first one never made sense anyway (the YPG wasn't helping the PKK in Turkey, the PKK was helping the YPG in Syria, and of course Turkey supposedly built a wall in its' borders to stop the flow of people and material, any acquisition of territory beyond the wall renders the wall a burden that has to be guarded for no apparent reason)

It's all going downhill from there: Trump doesn't want to send troops because of his election promises and his re-election campaign for next year, but he can always impose sanctions, and so will Europe. No Syrian shall "return" to Kurdish lands willingly, and most probably more Arabs shall sense that Turkey is about to keep pushing for more lands and they shall continue to flee towards Turkey to escape war. Assad is going to get pissed off, perhaps even the Iranians, Idlib shall fall to Syrian forces sooner or later and even more refugees shall flee towards Turkey.

The Sultan plays Hitler, and he'll be as much surprised as Hitler was when he learnt that Britain and France declared war to him after his invasion of Poland. The only difference this time around shall be an economic war...

[Annihilus]

Some current facts on Syria:

Kurds control 40% of the land and 80% of the oil, yet they are 4% of the total population. That sounds more like your beloved hitler.

I see no reason why Syrians can't return once the area is safe.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Some current facts on Syria:

Kurds control 40% of the land and 80% of the oil, yet they are 4% of the total population. That sounds more like your beloved hitler.

I see no reason why Syrians can't return once the area is safe.

Contrary to your myths, the YPG is not in control of all that area, but the Syrian Democratic forces, of which the YPG is one of the main components. Furthermore, the area you point in the map is mainly desert, and very few people live there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria#Demographics

Most people live in the Euphrates River valley and along the coastal plain, a fertile strip between the coastal mountains and the desert. Overall population density in Syria is about 99 per square kilometre (258 per square mile). According to the World Refugee Survey 2008, published by the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, Syria hosted a population of refugees and asylum seekers numbering approximately 1,852,300. The vast majority of this population was from Iraq (1,300,000), but sizeable populations from Palestine (543,400) and Somalia (5,200) also lived in the country.^[182]
In what the UN has described as "the biggest humanitarian emergency of our era",^[183] about 9.5 million Syrians, half the population, have been displaced since the outbreak of the Syrian Civil War in March 2011;^[184] 4 million are outside the country as refugees.^[185]

Your folly is trying to send people to live in the desert. Good luck with convincing some fools, the most are clever enough NOT to accept that fate!

Those who fled Syria fled the government forces, except for a few terrorists chased out by the Kurds, for whom there are no exact numbers (why?):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...d_displacement

More than six million refugees left the country during the civil war,^[10] of whom over five million are registered as refugees by the UNHCR as of mid-2019.^[11] Most of them fled to neighboring countries such as Turkey,^[12][13]Lebanon, Jordan,^[14] and Iraq,^[15] as well as European nations like Greece and Germany. Since 2017, tens of thousands have returned.^[16]The war resulted in large-scale displacement in the country. The UNHCR estimates internally displaced people (IDPs) at seven million. A further 70,000 people were trapped on the border with Jordan at Rukban in 2016-18,^[17][18] with up to 40,000 still there in 2019.^[19]
A significant part of the population lives in territory outside government sovereignty. At its peak in 2015, ISIL ruled over ten million people across Syria and Iraq.^[20] The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (NES), commonly referred to as Rojava, has a population of around two million.^[21] Areas controlled by the opposition have had a population in the millions. In mid-2017, UN OCHA estimated that around 540,000 persons were trapped in besieged areas as of June 2017, the majority besieged by government forces in Eastern Ghouta.^[22] By the time the government retook Ghouta in April 2018, some 140,000 individuals had fled their homes and up to 50,000 were evacuated to Idlib and Aleppo governorates.^[23] The latter rebel areas had an estimated population of 3 million (40% of them displaced from defeated rebel areas).^[24][25] Fighting in Idlib has led to further displacements, of up to 250,000 people, and generating new refugee outflows to neighbouring Turkey.^[26]
Displacement has led to demographic shifts. One example is the area in the North under control by Kurdish-led and US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). Many human rights groups, including Amnesty International^[27]and international organizations^[28][29] have accused SDF forces of committing ethnic cleansing in Arab areas they were capturing from other war factions. ^[30] The accusation was repeated on 8 May 2019 by Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov.^[31] NGOs and the opposition have also accused the government of using the conflict to effect demographic restructuring.^{[32][33][34][35]}

Finally, the people you want to send back are known terrorist sympathizers, like their sponsors:



Anyway, if Turkey wanted to chase terrorists, it could go after Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, which is basically al-Qaeda in Syria, and controls most of the fertile Idlib province under the protection of... Turkey!!!