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    Default Origin of E-V13

    Where do you think this haplogroup came from?


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    Central Africa -> North Africa -> Europe ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiloshN View Post
    Central Africa -> North Africa -> Europe ...
    To be real; e-v13 itself probably originated in west Asia; before moving into Europe. Basal E and other clades of E1b including the predecessor clade of E-v13 are African; but the e-v13 subclade wasn't itself born in Africa.

    "It was concluded that northeastern Africa, rather than eastern Africa, was where the E-M78 chromosomes began dispersing to other regions.[35] The most plausible scenario is that E-V13 originated in Western Asia.[36] A hypothesis is that E-M78 carriers devoid of V13 mutation left Africa and that the coalescene occurred later in the Near East/Anatolia.[36] Data suggests that Western Asian carriers of V13 expanded in Europe at earliest 5300 years ago.[36] The TMRCA of European V13 is 4700–4000 years ago.[36] Phylogenetic analysis suggest that the European v13 spread through Europe from the Balkans in a "rapid demographic expansion".[36]"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiloshN View Post
    Central Africa -> North Africa -> Europe ...
    What specific peoples/civilizations brought it to Europe? Which ancient European civilizations do you think had it in high numbers? Thracians? Illyrians? Greek?


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    Are you E-V13?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    What specific peoples/civilizations brought it to Europe? Which ancient European civilizations do you think had it in high numbers? Thracians? Illyrians? Greek?


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    Neolithic farmers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Neolithic famers.
    Neolithic farmers tested have only 1% E1b actually; only G2a and I2a are significant lineages found among the neolithic farmers. E-v13 grew later on through some sort of rapid founder effect/population boom.




    "For many years the vast majority of academics have assumed that E-V13 and other E1b1b lineages came to the Balkans from the southern Levant via Anatolia during the Neolithic, and that the high frequency of E-V13 was caused by a founder effect among the colonisers. This theory has it that E1b1b people were associated with the development of Neolithic lifestyle and the advent of agriculture in the Fertile Crescent and its earliest diffusion to Southeast Europe (Thessalian Neolithic) and Mediterranean Europe (Cardium Pottery culture). The testing of ancient DNA from the Natufian culture (Mesolithic Levant) and Pre-Pottery Neolithic Levant confirmed a high incidence of haplogroup E1b1b in that region. However, out of 69 Y-DNA samples tested from Neolithic Europe, only two belonged to that haplogroup: one E-M78 from the Sopot culture in Hungary (5000-4800 BCE), another E-M78 (c. 5000 BCE), possibly E-V13, from north-east Spain, and a E-L618 from Zemunica cave near Split in Croatia from 5500 BCE (Fernandes et al., 2016). Whether these E-M78 samples came with Neolithic farmers from the Near East or were already present among Mesolithic Europeans is unclear at present. But in any case E-V13 was definitely not the major Neolithic European lineage it was once alleged to be.

    Nowadays E-V13 is the only Mediterranean haplogroup consistently found throughout Europe, even in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Baltic countries, which are conspicuous by the absence of other Neolithic haplogroups like G2a (bar the Indo-European G2a-Z1815), J1 and T (except in Estonia). However, since G2a is the only lineage that was consistently found in all Neolithic sites tested to date in Europe, the absence of Neolithic G2a lineages from Scandinavia and the Baltic implies that no Neolithic lineage survives there, and consequently E-V13 does not date from the Neolithic in the region.

    In fact, it has been calculated that E-V13 emerged from E-M78 some 7,800 years ago, when Neolithic farmers were advancing into the Balkans and the Danubian basin. Furthermore, all the modern members of E-V13 descend from a common ancestor who lived approximately 5,500 years ago, and all of them also descend from a later common ancestor who carried the CTS5856 mutation. That ancestor would have lived about 4,100 years ago, during the Bronze Age. Almost immediately afterwards, CTS5856 split into six subclades, then branched off into even more subclades in the space of a few generations. In just a few centuries, that very minor E-V13 lineage had started an expansion process that would turn it into one of Europe's most widespread paternal lineages and reach far beyond the borders of Europe itself, also spreading to the eastern edge of the Mediterranean, the Caucasus, Kurdistan, Iran, and even Siberia.

    This data suggests that the fate of E-V13 was linked to the elite dominance of Bronze Age society. The geographic distribution of the six main branches show that E-V13 quickly spread to all parts of Europe, but was especially common in Central Europe. The only Bronze Age migration that could account for such a fast and far-reaching dispersal is that of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. At present the most consistent explanation is that E-V13 developed from E-M78 in Central or Eastern Europe during the Neolithic period, and was assimilated by the R1a and R1b Proto-Indo-Europeans around the time that they were leaving the Pontic Steppe to invade the rest of Europe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    lol...I do wish there was less mystery about E-V13. Seems like there is more speculation than good research. Interesting to see it distributed as far north as Estonia (4.05%).

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    Gagarin brought it with Vostok from the orbit in order to form a new haplogroup in the Balkans to support Russia's Pan-Slavist ideas.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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