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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    Are you E-V13?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Gagarin brought it with Vostok from the orbit in order to form a new haplogroup in the Balkans to support Russia's Pan-Slavist ideas.
    I confirm that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    lol...I do wish there was less mystery about E-V13. Seems like there is more speculation than good research. Interesting to see it distributed as far north as Estonia (4.05%).
    It distributes pretty much all over Europe; yet every neolithic site we find has only G2a, and sometimes I2a. Which implies that E-v13 was not wide spread at all, and the population boom happened later on. Interesting considering G2a which was 61% of all neolithic European Y dnas, is now very low throughout Europe. I think E-v13 thrived when the PIE came to Europe, as the piece I linked above suggests.

    "This data suggests that the fate of E-V13 was linked to the elite dominance of Bronze Age society. The geographic distribution of the six main branches show that E-V13 quickly spread to all parts of Europe, but was especially common in Central Europe. The only Bronze Age migration that could account for such a fast and far-reaching dispersal is that of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. At present the most consistent explanation is that E-V13 developed from E-M78 in Central or Eastern Europe during the Neolithic period, and was assimilated by the R1a and R1b Proto-Indo-Europeans around the time that they were leaving the Pontic Steppe to invade the rest of Europe.""

    E-v13 was more than likely an elite haplogroup within these early PIE cultures hence the population boom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    To be real; e-v13 itself probably originated in west Asia; before moving into Europe. Basal E and other clades of E1b including the predecessor clade of E-v13 are African; but the e-v13 subclade wasn't itself born in Africa.

    "It was concluded that northeastern Africa, rather than eastern Africa, was where the E-M78 chromosomes began dispersing to other regions.[35] The most plausible scenario is that E-V13 originated in Western Asia.[36] A hypothesis is that E-M78 carriers devoid of V13 mutation left Africa and that the coalescene occurred later in the Near East/Anatolia.[36] Data suggests that Western Asian carriers of V13 expanded in Europe at earliest 5300 years ago.[36] The TMRCA of European V13 is 4700–4000 years ago.[36] Phylogenetic analysis suggest that the European v13 spread through Europe from the Balkans in a "rapid demographic expansion".[36]"

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    “Who was the E-V13 patriarch in Greece? He was perhaps one of the legendary figures of Greek mythology some of whom are said to have come from abroad. For whatever reason, his progeny grew, and were around to participate in the expansion of the Mycenaean world and the subsequent Greek colonization.“



    We wuz patriarchal legendary Greeks and sheit.


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    Yup, G2a is original Anatolian farmer lineage, later they absorbed I2a hunter gatherers who switched to farming (Basque-Sardinian clade if I am not mistaken)

    E-V13 and J2 are later entries into Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/07...ained.html?m=1

    “Who was the E-V13 patriarch in Greece? He was perhaps one of the legendary figures of Greek mythology some of whom are said to have come from abroad. For whatever reason, his progeny grew, and were around to participate in the expansion of the Mycenaean world and the subsequent Greek colonization.“



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    E-V13 might ve Pelasgian/Sea Peoples marker, thats my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    E-V13 might ve Pelasgian/Sea Peoples marker, thats my guess.
    This makes complete sense in my mind.

    In my opinion E-V13 had to be a descendant of a Natufian (E1b was one of their main Y-Haplos) derived culture which lived along the Mediterranean coast around the Levant. They spread into Greece, Greek Islands, Adriatic coast and eventually Italian coast(Etruscans). All regions that were not heavily populated by European hunter gathers and Neolithic farmers. Pelasgians are the only people to fit this description.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    This makes complete sense in my mind.

    In my opinion E-V13 had to be a descendant of a Natufian (E1b was one of their main Y-Haplos) derived culture which lived along the Mediterranean coast around the Levant. They spread into Greece, Greek Islands, Adriatic coast and eventually Italian coast(Etruscans). All regions that were not heavily populated by European hunter gathers and Neolithic farmers. Pelasgians are the only people to fit this description.


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    A parent to E-V13 was found among the Iberomaursian culture

    “The male specimens with sufficient nuclear DNA preservation belonged to the paternal haplogroup E1b1b1a1 (M78), with one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*)”

    Also haplogroup E being African is complete BS. Haplogroup E did not develop in Africa. It developed in the Levant/Middle East. Then it migrated to Africa conquering the negroids and taking their thick chocolate women away.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    A parent to E-V13 was found among the Iberomaursian culture

    “The male specimens with sufficient nuclear DNA preservation belonged to the paternal haplogroup E1b1b1a1 (M78), with one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*)”

    Also haplogroup E being African is complete BS. Haplogroup E did not develop in Africa. It developed in the Levant/Middle East. Then it migrated to Africa conquering the negroids and taking their thick chocolate women away.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    A parent to E-V13 was found among the Iberomaursian culture

    “The male specimens with sufficient nuclear DNA preservation belonged to the paternal haplogroup E1b1b1a1 (M78), with one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*)”

    Also haplogroup E being African is complete BS. Haplogroup E did not develop in Africa. It developed in the Levant/Middle East. Then it migrated to Africa conquering the negroids and taking their thick chocolate women away.




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    I'm just learning about it myself but seems like a hell of a haplogroup. Lots of people here are jealous of it. It's hard to get a straight answer on TA because everyone is a cheerleader/PR person for their own haplogroup. Anyway, this is a map showing that E-V13 dudes impregnated chicks throughout Europe:


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