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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Former Russian (1/4 Tatar) member Norka is E-V13.
    Bakha (half Uzbek/Iranian, half Russian) is also E-V13.
    These guys have zero African ancestry. Don't you guys be ridiculous.
    Exactly. But who told you that i am 1/4 persian? I am 1/4Tatar Kazan, 1/4Uzbek Karakalpak. But i agree that my EV-13 is from my Tatarlar ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow View Post
    Morley's Y-DNA predictor also put me as possibly E-V13 and my phenotype at least points to Tatar/Central Asian people. Before anyone jumps in I know very well that Y-DNA is not a phenotype predictor and that E-V13 is found in Greece as well.
    The E-V13 in Tatars probably got their from the Cuman times. Those Cuman women got some Balcanic Tube Steak.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakha View Post
    Exactly. But who told you that i am 1/4 persian? I am 1/4Tatar Kazan, 1/4Uzbek Karakalpak. But i agree that my EV-13 is from my Tatarlar ancestors.
    You are a funny guy who changes his ethnic background almost everyday. I think you don't know yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    Where did E-V13 originate ?
    https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...4&share_type=t


    Maciamo is a writer for eupedia and one of the more well versed people on the history of E-V13.



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    Not talking about the age of E-V13 mutation itself or the most recent common ancestor of modern E-V13 holders.

    I am specifically interested in when E entered Europe and specifically E-M78 from which E-V13 descended from because it can’t be attributed to any recent migration from Western Asia or Africa.

    Key take aways from Maciamos research.

    E-M78 parent clade to E-V13 did not arrive with Neolithic farmers and it did not arrive from Western Asia/Anatolia. Low frequency among Neolithic farmers prove this as was posted. A long with common sense. E-M78 arrived from North African Hunter Gatherers and was present in Southern Europe along the Mediterranean coast, mainland Greece, Adriatic coast since the Mesolithic and possibly Paleolithic(parent E-M215).

    The parent clade to E-V13 was found in the Iberomaurisian culture earlier than any Natufian examples. Iberomaursians differed somewhat from Natufians phenotypically and genetically although common dna was shared.

    “Loosdrecht et al. (2018) analysed genome-wide data from seven ancient individuals from the Iberomaurusian Grotte des Pigeons site near Taforalt in eastern Morocco. The fossils were directly dated to between 15,100 and 13,900 calibrated years before present. The scientists found that all males belonged to haplogroup E1b1b, common among Afroasiatic males. The male specimens with sufficient nuclear DNA preservation belonged to the paternal haplogroup E1b1b1a1 (M78), with one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*). “

    It is this culture that brought haplogroup E to the levant not the other way around. Iberomaurusians predate Natufians and their Mashubian offspring mixed with local unknown levant hunter gathers(most likely of y-haplo CT) to form natufians.

    North Africa was full of E-M78 Hunter gatherers until they were eventually replaced by the E-M81 cattle herders. Most of the E in Africa and West Asia today is WAYYYYYY YOUNGER than E-M78 and E-V13.
    So how people can say it recently came into Europe descending from these younger subclades is total retardation.

    As for its spread throughout Europe. E-V13 carriers were assimilated by the Indo-Europeans. Both R1a and R1b countries have an even share of E-V13 because it was found throughout Southern Europe stretching from Balkans to Portugal. So not only one Indo-European group assimilated them. Beyond that it’s spread can be attributed to Roman and Greek conquests.

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    Any inconsistencies with this theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Yup, G2a is original Anatolian farmer lineage, later they absorbed I2a hunter gatherers who switched to farming (Basque-Sardinian clade if I am not mistaken)

    E-V13 and J2 are later entries into Europe.
    Haplogroup J is over 20,000 years in Europe, so is G, as for E it might be older then claimed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    Haplogroup J is over 20,000 years in Europe, so is G, as for E it might be older then claimed.


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    J was not in Europe 20,000 years ago this is complete BS with no evidence it stayed around the Caucasus and Iran when I spit from J. The only IJ man ever tested was in Iran. It’s cousin Y haplo I is probably that old in Europe which is predated by C in Europe.

    E-M78 was never found in the Levant only Africa and Europe. Which can only mean direct migration from Africa into Europe. There was contact between North Africa and Southern Europe. We know this to be the case because Iberomaurisans tested for European Cromagnid mtdna and their Y-DNA was E-M78 with one skeleton bearing the direct parent clade to E-V13. E-V13 can only come from these people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    J was not in Europe 20,000 years ago this is complete BS with no evidence it stayed around the Caucasus and Iran when I spit from J. The only IJ man ever tested was in Iran. It’s cousin Y haplo I is probably that old in Europe which is predated by C in Europe.

    E-M78 was never found in the Levant only Africa and Europe. Which can only mean direct migration from Africa into Europe. There was contact between North Africa and Southern Europe. We know this to be the case because Iberomaurisans tested for European Cromagnid mtdna and their Y-DNA was E-M78 with one skeleton bearing the direct parent clade to E-V13. E-V13 can only come from these people.
    I know there was a E-V13 found in Spain, in the Catalonia region dating back 7,000 years so in the Balkans it might be older then thought, it’s also found in the UK, from Roman times, but they claim it might be from Thracian or Illyrian soldiers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    I know there was a E-V13 found in Spain, in the Catalonia region dating back 7,000 years so in the Balkans it might be older then thought, it’s also found in the UK, from Roman times, but they claim it might be from Thracian or Illyrian soldiers.


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    It’s specified that it came from Romans? Can I see the links? Because E-V13 was assimilated by Indo-Europeans and spread through Europe and parts of Asia with the indo-Europeans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    It’s specified that it came from Romans? Can I see the links? Because E-V13 was assimilated by Indo-Europeans and spread through Europe and parts of Asia with the indo-Europeans.


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    https://www.pnas.org/content/108/45/18255
    https://dnaconsultants.com/right-pew-wrong-church/
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.r...kan_Origin/amp

    To me personally I think that Haplogroup E as a whole is the original Sea people or Mediterranean Haplogroup. I doubt it is only 6,000 years old, it actually might be older then though, having said that I don’t take country dna distributions seriously as they are usually used for political gains.


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