Can I feel like a European?

[Daos777]

I2 is native to the Balkans. Not this again lmao. The I haplogroup came first into the Balkans and spread to the rest of Europe from there. The Starcevo culture was pred I2. Cucuteni pred I2. Are you telling me all those pred I2 Balkan cultures moved north to form the Slavs and didn’t contribute at all to the paleo-Balkan populations?

And most modern geneticists now believe E-V13 to be a Mesolithic European Haplogroup. Post studies that disproved this?

This makes sense why it’s almost non existent in the near east/Levant where it supposedly came from while J and G are not lacking in those regions.


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[Daos777]

That study is 10 years old lol; a lot of discoveries have taken place since then. Every reliable study, website etc will repeat the fact that modern E-v13 likely came in the neolithic. That article also repeats the now disproven theory that I2 in the balkans is native when we know it came from the slavs further north 1500 years ago.

Modern E-v13 carriers descent from a bronze age European man with the CTS5856 mutation who lived around 4100 years ago; the TMRCA on the YFULL tree goes as far back as 4800 ybp. You've got no direct paternal connection to Mesolithic europeans, your line was still in west asia that far back. If e-v13 carriers in Europe today descended from that mesolithic european sample, then the TMRCA's would go that far back, but they don't.

The only dudes here who descend directly from mesolithic, and before that paleolithic Europeans are us I1/I2 men.

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[dududud]

Yes my brother

[MiloshN]

upp

[Ujku]

anyone who respects European values can be European. Had Europe not gone to war twice might I add we would have had flying cars already.

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sad times

Yeahh...NO .

You must be 100% European by DNA to be European .

[PaleoEuropean]

Do we who are a part of E-V13 branch can feel like a real and pure Europeans?
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If you aren't European nobody from Haplogroup, R, G, N or anything but I is European

[Kyp]

If R1a/R1b carriers can. You can too.

[Leto]

If R1a/R1b carriers can. You can too.

Except that the oldest R samples were found in Eastern Europe. I believe supposedly the oldest R1a samples were found in Eastern Ukraine, in the Volga region and around Finland/Karelia.

[Ayetooey]

Except that the oldest R samples were found in Eastern Europe. I believe supposedly the oldest R1a samples were found in Eastern Ukraine, in the Volga region and around Finland/Karelia.

Oldest basal R comes from Atlai. Oldest R1a (so far) comes from east Ukraine.

[PaleoEuropean]

Except that the oldest R samples were found in Eastern Europe. I believe supposedly the oldest R1a samples were found in Eastern Ukraine, in the Volga region and around Finland/Karelia.

That still doesn't make it native, haplogroup R is Asiatic not European