Classify the main cast of the Israeli sci-fi TV show "The Island"

[Pine]

They are not as atypical as you describe it. Belo doesn't pass as Sephardic. While I agree the Ashkenazim here can also pass as Europeans or atleast part European, they are not as atypical as you describe it among Ashkenazim.

Harari is practically typical Sephardic, Ben Yakov is lighter than average but not near unexisting.

For your knowledge Or Zehavi was casted as a Moroccan Jew in another show (Zaguri Emperia). Just shows that it is even believable that he is Sephardic.

I can show you similar casts from other Israeli shows.

If you want to claim lack of diversity, go to the people that are incharge of casting. And if my threads are annoying to you, then you are more than welcome to stop commenting, cause I'm not going to stop posting what I want to post.

I wouldn't be shocked if other casts are similar. That's because of the casting in Israel. They don't represent the public. Harari isn't the typical Sephardi. If anything, she's the typical Ashkenazi. The Seinfeld cast represents the typical Ashkenazi crowd. Of course plenty of Sephardi Jews look like Harari, because Ashkenazim and Sephardim aren't that different. We're both Western Jews. Many can pass for the other, if not most. I've been to Moroccan shuls. She'd be 15-25th percentile in pigment and features-wise, typically Western Jewish. If she walked into a neutral Jewish setting, everyone would assume she's Ashkenazi.

[Sp_loa]

I wouldn't be shocked if other casts are similar. That's because of the casting in Israel. They don't represent the public. Harari isn't the typical Sephardi. If anything, she's the typical Ashkenazi. The Seinfeld cast represents the typical Ashkenazi crowd. Of course plenty of Sephardi Jews look like Harari, because Ashkenazim and Sephardim aren't that different. We're both Western Jews. Many can pass for the other, if not most. I've been to Moroccan shuls. She'd be 15-25th percentile in pigment and features-wise, typically Western Jewish. If she walked into a neutral Jewish setting, everyone would assume she's Ashkenazi.

"everyone would assume she's Ashkenazi" I agree with that, but in Israel most Moroccan people I know are first guessed as Ashkenazi.
I can count on one hand the amount of times I was guessed as non-Ashkenazi. Even Moroccan Jews always guess me as European Jew first. It doesn't mean a lot. If you are light you are "Ashkenazi"

However I do not agree with the 15th-25th percentile, nor in pigment (she doesn't have blue or green eyes as much as I can tell, that's the real 25th percentile for Moroccans) nor features- there are many people with much more European features in my family (maybe even myself but I don't like to talk about myself) and my surrounding.

I'd place her at the lightest 30-35 percentile.


Israeli casting ןד indeed non-representative. I won't lie in this cast 5/7 people have light eyes while only 1 have true dark eyes. Similar in other casts too.
Light eyes in Israel are around 30% (with Ethnic russians included) or so, so yes not representative.

Same situation with sperm donation in Israel. The most demanded sperm is of guys that are blond, have blue eyes and are 5'11 tall or more, of East or Central European descent. There was an article about how Yemenite (or Mizrahi in general) sperm is rarely or never used (it's in hebrew but I can send you this, use google translate).
Israel is a light preferring country. I sometimes see how light people (me included, if I don't say I'm Moroccan) are treated differently compared to dark people. for example my friend (dark skinned Iraqi) asked a person for a phone call and the person just said "You are dark you might steal my phone" or something like this. It was shocking to all of us (I don't think it represents Israeli society) but it's there.

anyway the sperm donor article- https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/ar...512461,00.html
(Read the comments if you want to see Israeli racism at it's finest)

[The One]

Number 1. looks Atlantid, idk about the rest mixture of nordid and med types

[Pine]

"everyone would assume she's Ashkenazi" I agree with that, but in Israel most Moroccan people I know are first guessed as Ashkenazi.
I can count on one hand the amount of times I was guessed as non-Ashkenazi. Even Moroccan Jews always guess me as European Jew first. It doesn't mean a lot. If you are light you are "Ashkenazi"

However I do not agree with the 15th-25th percentile, nor in pigment (she doesn't have blue or green eyes as much as I can tell, that's the real 25th percentile for Moroccans) nor features- there are many people with much more European features in my family (maybe even myself but I don't like to talk about myself) and my surrounding.

I'd place her at the lightest 30-35 percentile.


Israeli casting ןד indeed non-representative. I won't lie in this cast 5/7 people have light eyes while only 1 have true dark eyes. Similar in other casts too.
Light eyes in Israel are around 30% (with Ethnic russians included) or so, so yes not representative.

Same situation with sperm donation in Israel. The most demanded sperm is of guys that are blond, have blue eyes and are 5'11 tall or more, of East or Central European descent. There was an article about how Yemenite (or Mizrahi in general) sperm is rarely or never used (it's in hebrew but I can send you this, use google translate).
Israel is a light preferring country. I sometimes see how light people (me included, if I don't say I'm Moroccan) are treated differently compared to dark people. for example my friend (dark skinned Iraqi) asked a person for a phone call and the person just said "You are dark you might steal my phone" or something like this. It was shocking to all of us (I don't think it represents Israeli society) but it's there.

anyway the sperm donor article- https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/ar...512461,00.html
(Read the comments if you want to see Israeli racism at it's finest)

I didn't say anything about "European features". Most "features" pass on either side of the Med sea. I said hers fit within the Western Jewish (Roman Jewish - Ashkenazim, Sephardim etc) spectrum. Can you link the stats on eye color etc in Israel? Few Ashkenazim are blond and light eyed and even if they are, they are unlikely to pass those features on, especially if their sperm is used by a Mizrachi woman.

I sometimes see how light people (me included, if I don't say I'm Moroccan) are treated differently compared to dark people. for example my friend (dark skinned Iraqi) asked a person for a phone call and the person just said "You are dark you might steal my phone" or something like this. It was shocking to all of us (I don't think it represents Israeli society) but it's there.

You're the first person I've heard this from. Was this said by an adult?

I read the article. Besides those with sperm-deficient husbands, I can't think of any sane women who go to such banks. I can't even imagine someone requesting that the child look nothing like her husband. And the fact that they prefer to know the man's "astrological luck" over intelligence, tells you a lot about the customer base.

"The most sought-after donor in February at the sperm bank at Ichilov Hospital, for example, is a young man from Russia " - Are the women even checking if he's Jewish?

I've known plenty of Israelis. Never once heard a preference for light features, not in their partner, not socially for themselves.

[Dawnbringer]

Can you link the stats on eye color etc in Israel?

That‘s a rhetorical question as there are no hair and eye color statistics on Israelis save ToeKneeHwin, but that is not professional. You would have use Anthropological studies done on each group in Israel and then take into consideration the proportion of each group in the general Israeli Population. Doing this I came to 24% light and intermediate eyes which is only slightly higher than Lebanon (17%) according to Coon‘s Races of Europe so it seems realistic.

[Pine]

That‘s a rhetorical question as there are no hair and eye color statistics on Israelis save ToeKneeHwin, but that is not professional. You would have use Anthropological studies done on each group in Israel and then take into consideration the proportion of each group in the general Israeli Population. Doing this I came to 24% light and intermediate eyes which is only slightly higher than Lebanon (17%) according to Coon‘s Races of Europe so it seems realistic.

I genuinely thought he might have such statistics. And what you did makes too many assumptions and doesn't take into account the large amount of people mixed between those groups.

[Tooting Carmen]

These are surely at the lighter/more Euro end of the spectrum for Israel, aside of course from number seven. Btw, Oz Zehavi looks a lot like Jenson Button.

[Smeagol]

The Seinfeld cast represents the typical Ashkenazi crowd.

Seinfeld and Jason Alexander were like the only actual Jews on that show. And Seinfeld is half Mizrahi.

[Pine]

Seinfeld and Jason Alexander were like the only actual Jews on that show. And Seinfeld is half Mizrahi.

Their actual ethnicities were irrelevant to the conversation.

[Pine]

These are surely at the lighter/more Euro end of the spectrum for Israel, aside of course from number seven. Btw, Oz Zehavi looks a lot like Jenson Button.

Have you been to Israel?