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[Universe]

Orban definitelly overspend on Sport Arenas. This new Puskas Stadium, what it will be, 70 000 capacity or something ?

Not much smaller than Bernabeu. And who will fill it each week ? Fradi has its own new stadium.

To my understanding it will be Hungarian Wembley , for national team only. I wonder how profitable it will be, NT plays home only few times a year and often against unattractive opponents.

I think it is too large stadium for Hungary despite Budapest is large city. And it doesnt have elite club or NT that draws huge crowds. And maintenace of such object coast a fortune probably. You cant have concerts on it because it damages expensive grass and it doesnt have athletic track so it will be minimally used. I am concerned what will come of it.

One of reasons of Greek bankrupcy were 2004 summer Olympics.

Speaking of living paycheck to paychek, we live like that too. Nothing is left at end of month. But it is pretty stress free, knowing finding new job is not hard at all. Market is good and dynamic.

In Croatia many citizens ended in financial slavery due to taking loans during early to mid 2000s economic boom, and now they cant repay them back.

Hungarians are less financially naive to my thinking. People are less willing to take out loan to buy new BMW or Mercedes, and gamble their family future afterwards. Croatian people were very naive and not responsible because Yugoslavia lived from western loans and bad habbits were created that way (just like Greece), living above their abilities.

In Croatia people dress better than Hungarians and have better cars on average, but they are locked in debts.

Our economy structure is more similar to southern European countries (great infrastructure, high unemployment rate especially among youth, relatively high salaries, high debt) than eastern european ones (weaker infrastructure, low debt, much lower unemplyment rates and relatively lower salaries).

1) Orbán is an ex soccer player. He has a vision about making hungary a sport-superpower, especially at soccer. He is nationalist (I think in a stupid way) and realized Hungary can't become a significant country because it's small, but he tries to make it significant in sports at least. He thinks if hungary become a sport superpower hungarian people will be content with their lives. That's a weird theory. Brazil is a superpower in soccer, but it's not a country I'd like to live in. I'd rather live in Austria, a country that is not good at soccer but has much better standard of living. I don't care if my country's national team is good or bad.

2) Most things (stadiums included) in today Hungary are built by Orbán's oligarch friends, a portion of that money lands in Orbán's pocket. So building stadiums that aren't used is his interest because he(and his friends) gets money from it

Much of the news about Hungary's great economic performance is propaganda. The gdp is pumped up by government spending, which is done in dumb/corrupt ways. Meanwhile the living standards of the common man aren't really improving. In 2000 Hungarian living standards were better than Poland, Slovakia and Romania. Today we are behind Slovakia, Poland and Romania is starting to overtake us. We started to fall behind in 00s and this decline is continuing to this day.

[ixulescu]

Much of the news about Hungary's great economic performance is propaganda. The gdp is pumped up by government spending, which is done in dumb/corrupt ways. Meanwhile the living standards of the common man aren't really improving. In 2000 Hungarian living standards were better than Poland, Slovakia and Romania. Today we are behind Slovakia, Poland and Romania is starting to overtake us. We started to fall behind in 00s and this decline is continuing to this day.

During the communist period, the living standards in Eastern Europe were similar in all countries (for most decades) - and they are still similar now. GDP per capita increases in Eastern Europe are not reflected in an increased standard of living. I'm afraid, the people of our area will still live paycheck to paycheck until these countries will reach the average GDP per capita in EU. Only then we'll see some credit relaxation for companies, higher wages and disposable income.

Anyways, you shouldn't read too much in these statistics. Yes, some countries gain speed in development, others fall behind - but overall, these countries are a group, and will economically converge. That said, for individuals, the economic circumstances can look very different, even within the same (national) economy.

[Universe]

Hungarians should't discard job opportunities in Romania.
Hungarians from the Eastern parts can find good jobs in Transylvania, Banat and Crisana (Partium). Knowing Hungarian and some English is sufficient to have excellent employment in Transylvania.

I don't think it will happen in significant numbers. Western Europe is a more attractive destination. Austria is the next door too.

It's perhaps less known to Hungarians that after ww1 the percentage of Hungarians living in Transylvania went up significantly, despite many Hungarians fleeing after Transylvania changed hands. They came to Romania for better jobs. Of course that stopped after what happened during ww2 (pogroms on both sides) and the take over by the communist regimes.

I never heard about this.

[Jana]

1) Orbán is an ex soccer player. He has a vision about making hungary a sport-superpower, especially at soccer. He is nationalist (I think in a stupid way) and realized Hungary can't become a significant country because it's small, but he tries to make it significant in sports at least. He thinks if hungary become a sport superpower hungarian people will be content with their lives. That's a weird theory. Brazil is a superpower in soccer, but it's not a country I'd like to live in. I'd rather live in Austria, a country that is not good at soccer but has much better standard of living. I don't care if my country's national team is good or bad.

2) Most things (stadiums included) in today Hungary are built by Orbán's oligarch friends, a portion of that money lands in Orbán's pocket. So building stadiums that aren't used is his interest because he(and his friends) gets money from it

Much of the news about Hungary's great economic performance is propaganda. The gdp is pumped up by government spending, which is done in dumb/corrupt ways. Meanwhile the living standards of the common man aren't really improving. In 2000 Hungarian living standards were better than Poland, Slovakia and Romania. Today we are behind Slovakia, Poland and Romania is starting to overtake us. We started to fall behind in 00s and this decline is continuing to this day.

I agree with many of your points (especially about curruption) but lets not forget the positives:

-emigration to the west dropped, even many westerners are moving to Hungary
-Orban significantly lowered/repayed Hungarian external debt created by previous socialist givernments
-Hungary attracts serious foreign investment, lot of factories that employ people arrived
-Hungary is main centre for chinese investment in this region
-not only stadiums were built, but for example almost all castles and palaces were renewed and that attracts lot of tourists
-average salaries are steadily rising
- government really does support having babies and pretty good benefits are available for young families
-NGOs were removed from state funding

You shouldnt forget Hungary was on verge on bankrupcy under incompetent Gyurcsany and most people left for west back than.

Plus: I have feeling you are negative/melancolic people as a rule, it is just part of national character if such thing exists.

But as Croatian I am very happy in Hungary and see our future here (because of many reasons).

[Universe]

During the communist period, the living standards in Eastern Europe were similar in all countries (for most decades) - and they are still similar now. GDP per capita increases in Eastern Europe are not reflected in an increased standard of living. I'm afraid, the people of our area will still live paycheck to paycheck until these countries will reach the average GDP per capita in EU. Only then we'll see some credit relaxation for companies, higher wages and disposable income.

Anyways, you shouldn't read too much in these statistics. Yes, some countries gain speed in development, others fall behind - but overall, these countries are a group, and will economically converge. That said, for individuals, the economic circumstances can look very different, even within the same (national) economy.

We were ahead of Poland and Slovakia 15-20 years ago, but we managed to become poorer than them despite getting more money/capita from EU. Also Romanian economy was much worse, nowadays it's not really worse than hungarian (just see AIC). In the 90s/early 00's balkans were significantly below us not we'reapproaching their level. We're only above Bulgaria in AIC rankings. These are the facts. Just because we're not doing terrible that doesn't mean we couldn't do better. Only 15-20 years ago we had ethnic hungarian seasonal workers from Slovakia in Hungary, nowadays that's unthinkable.

[ixulescu]

I don't think it will happen in significant numbers. Western Europe is a more attractive destination. Austria is the next door too.

Yeah, probably not in significant numbers. However, do not discard the advantage of knowing the language when moving to Transylvania. This is more like internal labor migration.

I never heard about this.

Hungarians went from ~7% to ~10% of Romania's population between the wars (~25% to ~30% in Transylvania, which in Romania is taken together with Banat, Crisana and Maramures).

[Universe]

I agree with many of your points (especially about curruption) but lets not forget the positives:

-emigration to the west dropped, even many westerners are moving to Hungary
-Orban significantly lowered/repayed Hungarian external debt created by previous socialist givernments
-Hungary attracts serious foreign investment, lot of factories that employ people arrived
-Hungary is main centre for chinese investment in this region
-not only stadiums were built, but for example almost all castles and palaces were renewed and that attracts lot of tourists
-average salaries are steadily rising
- government really does support having babies and pretty good benefits are available for young families
-NGOs were removed from state funding

You shouldnt forget Hungary was on verge on bankrupcy under incompetent Gyurcsany and most people left for west back than.

Plus: I have feeling you are negative/melancolic people as a rule, it is just part of national character if such thing exists.

But as Croatian I am very happy in Hungary and see our future here (because of many reasons).

The amount of Hungarians living abroad increased since Fidesz is in power, that'sa fact.
There's lots of BS propaganda about hungary from the government.

The salaries are rising as well as cost of living. Teacher's starter salary without experience is 140.000 huf but rent is at least 100.000 huf in budapest. Doctors have piss poor salaries as well.

I am not saying everything done by the government is bad. Some of the stuff they do is good, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be better. In many ways they're doing a terrible job, especially when it comes to corruption. By the time we change government we will probably on Bulgaria's level in AIC ranking.

You shouldnt forget Hungary was on verge on bankrupcy under incompetent Gyurcsany and most people left for west back than.

Source?

[Universe]

Yeah, probably not in significant numbers. However, do not discard the advantage of knowing the language when moving to Transylvania. This is more like internal labor migration.



Hungarians went from ~7% to ~10% of Romania's population between the wars (~25% to ~30% in Transylvania, which in Romania is taken together with Banat, Crisana and Maramures).

Why is % of Romanians living abroad so extremely high?

[ixulescu]

Why is % of Romanians living abroad so extremely high?

It's mainly caused by disappointment with the duration of transition from communism. After 30 years, Romania still has a partially dysfunctional economy, and society overall. The people are fed up.

And these days, for many, it makes sense to move abroad rather than move from village or small town to a large town.

[Jana]

The amount of Hungarians living abroad increased since Fidesz is in power, that'sa fact.
There's lots of BS propaganda about hungary from the government.

The salaries are rising as well as cost of living. Teacher's starter salary without experience is 140.000 huf but rent is at least 100.000 huf in budapest. Doctors have piss poor salaries as well.

I am not saying everything done by the government is bad. Some of the stuff they do is good, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be better. In many ways they're doing a terrible job, especially when it comes to corruption. By the time we change government we will probably on Bulgaria's level in AIC ranking.

Source?

I read it from ethnic Hungarian member on Croatian forum who is crazy accurate with statistics and very reliable.

Blogen style.

I try to dig up his posts it will take some time (i am on mobile)