Which of these two statements sounds more 'right-wing' to you?

[Catarinense1998]

"I want to privatise all schools and hospitals, and possibly even the army and the police" - it is not - necessarily - a right wing thing. I only do see liberals, conservatives (classic ones based on Edmund Burke), Neocons (shit) and neoliberals (the worst one) caring about this privatise thing. Far-Righters like true fascists for example, were strongly pro labor rights. One of the biggest influence in fascism was the strong sindicalism in Italy. Mussolini himself said that the capitalism is not perfect and it need to be controled by the state. Far Righters (considering the nazis, fascists) will never leave the army out of the government's hands - it is crazy. The same to police. In far right's regimes, the police suits the interests of the ruling party. The same about the schools.

[Daco Celtic]

Yes and no. Obama's healthcare reforms were opposed with a zealous passion by Republican members of Congress, to the point where they were very botched and modified. And hasn't Trump partially reversed them? And the point about the US economy is that, given how it is already more capitalist-oriented than most, there isn't so much that can be privatised in the first place.

I agree that privatization is usually a right-wing idea but I think it's more of a concern to right-wing elites, not average conservative voters. I think rank and file right-wingers care more about the moral and immigration concerns.

[Tooting Carmen]

Number 2, of course.
Number 1 is just a liberal behavior, which I don't like at all, but I don't consider it as an extreme right wing idea.

This is where I am not sure. For me, the left-right divide is primarily to do with economics - one side favours an emphasis on public ownership and State intervention, the other an emphasis on private ownership and a minimal State.

By contrast, while it is true that right-wingers tend to be more socially authoritarian than left-wingers, this is far from being universally the case. For instance, the percentage of British Tories who support the legalisation of drugs and prostitution is nowadays probably not hugely different to the percentage of British Labourites who do. (And it was the former who legalised gay marriage - not merely civil partnerships - lest we forget). Conversely, Communist regimes were not usually noted as being shangri-las for their ethnic and sexual minorities. Heck, even in Britain, there are some hardcore Communists who call homosexuality 'bourgeois decadence'.

[Kamal900]

Number 2 of course.

[Tooting Carmen]

Number 2 of course.

So you think that it is possible for somebody to be described as 'left-wing' even if they advocate the wholesale privatisation and marketisation of their economy, just because they love (or at least tolerate) gays and immigrants?

[Erronkari]

This is where I am not sure. For me, the left-right divide is primarily to do with economics - one side favours an emphasis on public ownership and State intervention, the other an emphasis on private ownership and a minimal State.

By contrast, while it is true that right-wingers tend to be more socially authoritarian than left-wingers, this is far from being universally the case. For instance, the percentage of British Tories who support the legalisation of drugs and prostitution is nowadays probably not hugely different to the percentage of British Labourites who do. (And it was the former who legalised gay marriage - not merely civil partnerships - lest we forget). Conversely, Communist regimes were not usually noted as being shangri-las for their ethnic and sexual minorities. Heck, even in Britain, there are some hardcore Communists who call homosexuality 'bourgeois decadence'.

Number one would be libertarian right wing.
Number two would be ultra-conservative right wing.

I think there is the difference...

P.d.: Well... of course, I think that around the world you can find people who still like the communism in Stalin or Mao style, and you know that in costumes they were extremely conservatives...

[Catarinense1998]

This is where I am not sure. For me, the left-right divide is primarily to do with economics - one side favours an emphasis on public ownership and State intervention, the other an emphasis on private ownership and a minimal State.

By contrast, while it is true that right-wingers tend to be more socially authoritarian than left-wingers, this is far from being universally the case. For instance, the percentage of British Tories who support the legalisation of drugs and prostitution is nowadays probably not hugely different to the percentage of British Labourites who do. (And it was the former who legalised gay marriage - not merely civil partnerships - lest we forget). Conversely, Communist regimes were not usually noted as being shangri-las for their ethnic and sexual minorities. Heck, even in Britain, there are some hardcore Communists who call homosexuality 'bourgeois decadence'.

Interesting statement. Comunism is not a plug and play set of ideals. Marx and Engels wrote the Comunist Manifest in the XIX century, when there was not a strong middle class like today. Comunism was repeatedly, during the XX century, adapted to diferents realities and societies. The called "Lumpenproletariat", which Marx considered the worst people in the society (vagabonds, criminals, prostitutes) as incorrigible and degenerated people, today, are people protected by the social-democrats and some comunists.

North Korea itself is a very machist country, according to some reports of outsiders. North Korea also follow the purity ideology about the korean people too "according to the country’s propaganda, the pure-bloodedness and homogeneity of the Korean race make the North’s army a uniquely tight-knit and formidable fighting force". These minority groups were fragmented in post cold war period. A lot of feminists, lgbt people, politiced blacks, are not comunists; they are not against the actual ecnomic system, but they only want more free and rights in the society. Comunist parties all around the world have a big challenge to capture these people to their own causes.

Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/02/11...-race-problem/

[Tooting Carmen]

Number one would be libertarian right wing.
Number two would be ultra-conservative right wing.

I think there is the difference...

And to me, both are very nasty while at the same time being very different.

[Tooting Carmen]

Now for the opposite: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ft-wing-to-you

[The Blade]

Number 1 is a liberal statement I disagree with.
Number 2 is a VERY far right (not normal right) statement I also disagree with (except that I would send all pedophiles, rapists, gerontophiles and zoophiles to the rope/electric chair immediately; the other part I largely disagree with).