Which of these two statements sounds more 'right-wing' to you?

[Smaug]

Do you on the whole support such ideals?

Yes. I consider myself to be right-wing oriented and a borderline minarchist. My motto is “the bigger the State, the less free the people”.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes. I consider myself to be right-wing oriented and a borderline minarchist. My motto is “the bigger the State, the less free the people”.

What's your view on Bolsonaro?

[Smaug]

What's your view on Bolsonaro?

Mixed. I think he is doing a good job pushing a much needed liberal agenda in Brazil’s heavily State-controlled economy, pointing to a marked-oriented free society, ridding the people of nearly two decades of a near-authoritarian left-wing bureacratic government. However, he does has his flaws. He is too combative in times it is not necessary to be and he tends to speak too much. In this sense he is just like Donald Trump or Boris Johnson.

[Tooting Carmen]

Mixed. I think he is doing a good job pushing a much needed liberal agenda in Brazil’s heavily State-controlled economy, pointing to a marked-oriented free society, ridding the people of nearly two decades of a near-authoritarian left-wing bureacratic government.

Apart from the much-vaunted Bolsa Familia, does Brazil really have much of a welfare state (in the Northern European sense)? And what would you like to see privatised that is currently State-owned?

[Richmondbread]

Number two, because it's based on morality, and conservatives are more rooted in morality. The first option could be used by a leftist who wanted social welfare.

[Tooting Carmen]

Number two, because it's based on morality, and conservatives are more rooted in morality. The first option could be used by a leftist who wanted social welfare.

What would leftists get out of a mass privatisation programme?

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes. I consider myself to be right-wing oriented and a borderline minarchist. My motto is “the bigger the State, the less free the people”.

Don't confuse a big State with a powerful State though. The two are emphatically NOT the same thing. Mrs Thatcher's government cut taxation and spending substantially, yet they also attacked local councils, centralised political power, increased police powers; in any event, her 1983 landslide win was largely on the back of the Falklands War.

Therefore, do you really think the British people were freer in 1990 than in 1980?

[Smaug]

Don't confuse a big State with a powerful State though. The two are emphatically NOT the same thing. Mrs Thatcher's government cut taxation and spending substantially, yet they also attacked local councils, centralised political power, increased police powers; in any event, her 1983 landslide win was largely on the back of the Falklands War.

Therefore, do you really think the British people were freer in 1990 than in 1980?

I never claimed they were the same thing. Take the US for example, they a powerful but small state which values individual freedoms. As for you question, I don’t know, I didn’t leave in Britain during the late 1980’s.

[KMack]

(1) "I want to privatise all schools and hospitals, and possibly even the army and the police".

(2) "I want to expel all foreigners and jail all gays and sexual deviants".

Neither statement really. You are dealing in absolutes. The right would be in favor of vouchers given to kids to go to a private school vs. a public school. If a local public jurisdiction pays 10K a year to educate a kid then the private school gets a 10K reimbursement. Virtually all hospital systems in the US are private. I don't know anyone who think the Police or Military should be for profit private.

Expelling foreigners, jailing gays and deviants is easily as much of a leftist idea than anything on the right.

[Tooting Carmen]

Neither statement really. You are dealing in absolutes. The right would be in favor of vouchers given to kids to go to a private school vs. a public school. If a local public jurisdiction pays 10K a year to educate a kid then the private school gets a 10K reimbursement. Virtually all hospital systems in the US are private. I don't know anyone who think the Police or Military should be for profit private.

Yes I know both are extreme statements, but my question was: which would be closer to their own conception of what the political Right is? Anyway, there are some fringe libertarians who do advocate the privatisation of even the military and police.

Expelling foreigners, jailing gays and deviants is easily as much of a leftist idea than anything on the right.

That I partly agree with. While the mainstream Left is generally more socially liberal than the mainstream Right, some hardcore Communists in particular can be just as hardline and authoritarian as the far Right.