Are J1 and J2 originally from CHG?

**21993** · 08-16-2019, 09:41 PM

Are J1 and J2 Y-DNAs originally from Caucasus Hunter Gatherers?

**luc2112** · 08-16-2019, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by 21993

Are J1 and J2 Y-DNAs originally from Caucasus Hunter Gatherers?

J1 and J2 not caucasian indo-european.

J1 = Arabic peninsula
J2 = Middle East (mix indo-european in some cases)

**Leto** · 08-16-2019, 10:06 PM

J1 is mostly Semitic as far as I know. J2 is mostly Caucasian. Its frequency peaks in Chechens and Ingush.

**Jana** · 08-16-2019, 10:12 PM

Both are CHG in origin as far as I know. J2 mixed with EHG to produce Yamnayans but it is high in non IE Kavkazians too. J1 took more southernly migration route and today peaks among Semites.

I read somewhere J1 is by early origin Kavkazian and J2 Iranian, from Zagros mountains.

**Ayetooey** · 08-16-2019, 10:12 PM

J2 probs. J1 is mainly Semetic/Arabid.

**Jana** · 08-16-2019, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

J2 probs. J1 is mainly Semetic/Arabid.

Arabs are part CHG (heavily). J1 came from the north, before that my guess is they were E1b Natufian like people.

**21993** · 08-16-2019, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by luc2112

J1 and J2 not caucasian indo-european.

J1 = Arabic peninsula
J2 = Middle East (mix indo-european in some cases)

Originally Posted by Leto

J1 is mostly Semitic as far as I know. J2 is mostly Caucasian. Its frequency peaks in Chechens and Ingush.

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

J2 probs. J1 is mainly Semetic/Arabid.

I think Semetic or Arabid one is mainly E1b
J1 people might have been Caucasian Hunter Gatherers who migrated to Arabian lands

**Jana** · 08-16-2019, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by 21993

I think Semetic or Arabid one is mainly E1b
J1 people might have been Caucasian Hunter Gatherers who migrated to Arabian lands

Yes. E1b is probable Afro-Asiatic languages main marker.

**luc2112** · 08-16-2019, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by 21993

I think Semetic or Arabid one is mainly E1b
J1 people might have been Caucasian Hunter Gatherers who migrated to Arabian lands

E1b is north african

J1 and J2 are semetic, j2 very mixed with indo-european (Iraqui is 50% indo-european)

Arab countries of today are from the ancient Ottoman Empire (originating in arabic peninsula)

**21993** · 08-16-2019, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by luc2112

E1b is north african

J1 and J2 are semetic, j2 very mixed with indo-european (Iraqui is 50% indo-european)

Arab countries of today are from the ancient Ottoman Empire (originating in arabic peninsula)

Ottoman Empire originated in Northwest Anatolia, not Arabian peninsula

Caucasus Hunter Gatherer admixture is not minor among Arabians and J1 might have come there via CHG males

North Africa is predominantly Natufian (ghost population which is heavily related with Semites and Arabs) by male lineage (Y-DNA)