Millions of Hungarians lost, 1920

[Nurzat]

live from Ханты-Мансийск

[ixulescu]

^ excellent song

[Mingle]

Last names mean little. Common Hungarian last names mean Slovak, Croat, German, Serb, Pole etc...and those people are ethnic Hungarians.

Regarding Transylvania even Hungarians there are southeastern shifted compared to modern Hungary which shows old Vlach layer in the region.

My opinion is Transylvania should have become indipendent state as most fair solution. But now best is to focus on present and future with respect to the past.

It would be a Romanian-dominated country in that case and it would be seen as a Romania 2.0 by outsiders and would be seen as Romance-centrist (from a Hungarian/Szekler point of view) in addition to possibly having a Pro-Romanian political orientation. I have no doubt that Szeklers would still be asking for independence and many Hungarian nationalists would support them. I think if it was an independent country, then the ethnic Romanians would start calling themselves "ethnic Transylvanian" and try to build their own identity (like Montenegrins & Moldovans are) since they're the majority whereas Szeklers would view themselves as ethnic Hungarians and it would maybe be a Belgium-style situation. Also, it would be an artificial country which bothers me a bit =P Another solution could have been for Szeklerland to become an independent country or an enclave of Hungary. But yeah, both solutions may have been fairer than the current status quo. What about the other lands that Hungary lost in the treaty? Do you think they should have become independent countries as well?

[Mingle]

Is not extinct, it survives in pockets of Hungary Noble people and neighbouring states mainly in their similar cultura.

In one of the threads here, I asked if Hungarians from Hungary still care about the Hungarians in the territories that they lost. Someone replied that its still something that gets covered by the media there and something they think about.

[oszkar07]

I'm not pro-modern Hungary, but i support only the ethnic revision + Szeklerland as enclave. The complete revision makes no sense, only idiots belive in it. If we would restore the complete Kingdom of Hungary, hungarians would be only 30-40%.

Agreed.

[oszkar07]

It would be a Romanian-dominated country in that case and it would be seen as a Romania 2.0 by outsiders and would be seen as Romance-centrist (from a Hungarian/Szekler point of view) in addition to possibly having a Pro-Romanian political orientation. I have no doubt that Szeklers would still be asking for independence and many Hungarian nationalists would support them. I think if it was an independent country, then the ethnic Romanians would start calling themselves "ethnic Transylvanian" and try to build their own identity (like Montenegrins & Moldovans are) since they're the majority whereas Szeklers would view themselves as ethnic Hungarians and it would maybe be a Belgium-style situation. Also, it would be an artificial country which bothers me a bit : P Another solution could have been for Szeklerland to become an independent country or an enclave of Hungary. But yeah, both solutions may have been fairer than the current status quo. What about the other lands that Hungary lost in the treaty? Do you think they should have become independent countries as well.

I think Szekelyfold would of had the best argument for an independant country or enclave .
I agree with your points about an independant Transylvania ...it wouldnt have worked ...unless everybody just agreed to call themselves Transylvanians and forget their past ...which wouldnt happen.

[Blondie]

I think Szekelyfold would of had the best argument for an independant country or enclave .
I agree with your points about an independant Transylvania ...it wouldnt have worked ...unless everybody just agreed to call themselves Transylvanians and forget their past ...which wouldnt happen.

Székelyland wouldn't work as independent country.

[oszkar07]

In one of the threads here, I asked if Hungarians from Hungary still care about the Hungarians in the territories that they lost. Someone replied that its still something that gets covered by the media there and something they think about.

If you go to Hungary almost every 1 in 5 Hungarians has something like a keyring Map of the pre Trianon Hungary.

[oszkar07]

Székelyland wouldn't work as independent country.

Now, maybe not ,
at least it should be an enclave of Hungary.
Ceasescu moved like a 1/4 of Romania to Transylvania ... its getting more difficult to change these things ... but what good is Szekelyland to Romania ...the people there feel themselves Hungarian.

[Mingle]

Now, maybe not ,
at least it should be an enclave of Hungary.
Ceasescu moved like a 1/4 of Romania to Transylvania ... its getting more difficult to change these things ... but what good is Szekelyland to Romania ...the people there feel themselves Hungarian.

Its possible for Szeklerland to have become part of Hungary like it did in WW2, but with half the size of its WW2 territory (meaning no Cluj-Napoca or Oradea & some other Romanian-majority cities), then it may have had a decent chance at working. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say Romanians were around 35% of WW2 Hungary's population. If the WW2 territory of Northern Transylvania was split in half, then Romanians would be probably around 20% of a hypothetical United Hungary, which is still a lot. (Note: this percentages are pure guesses)

In this scenario, Romanians would have been a large minority and probably demanding separation. Over time, due to cross-border migration to independent Romania, their percentage would have decreased (similar to Szeklers in Romania who are migrating to Hungary right now), but they would still remain a large minority nevertheless (similar to Hungarians in Romania today). And this would obviously be unfair to Romanians. The best case scenario may have been an enclave but its too late for that.

You could argue that things could have been handled better, but I don't think there's a solution where all parties would be happy. If Szeklers lived in Northwest Romania instead of Middle Romania, then things would have probably turned out better. In hindsight, it wasn't smart for Szeklers to settle in land relatively distant to modern Hungary. I guess they though they'd Hungarize western Transylvania later but then changed plans?

If you go to Hungary almost every 1 in 5 Hungarians has something like a keyring Map of the pre Trianon Hungary.

Some Hungarians seem to have gotten pretty annoyed with their fellow countrymen's irridentism that they made a satirical party based off of it



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungar...iled_Dog_Party