New model for Iberians using new Gothic samples

[loschbour_man]

are these two kits on Gedmatch to see where they plot on the K15 map?

MJ19 Chernyakhov 262-530 AD XJ2742214
MJ36 Chernyakhov Low Quality XA3802705
MJ37 Chernyakhov 243-386 AD RN2067517

[Javiberius]

Models for Iberians using the new Gothic samples and previously published Celtiberian samples. The Goths were quite 'exotic' for a Germanic people, with quite a bit of Central Asian admixture too, so it should not be difficult to isolate their ancestry among modern people.

That's how the Gothic samples used here looks like:



[1] "distance%=1.414"
Portuguese
Celtiberian,63.4
Roman_Collegno,18.4
Guanche,10.2
Gothic_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky,8

[1] "distance%=1.3796"
Spanish_Barcelones
Celtiberian,73
Roman_Collegno,17
Gothic_Chernyakhiv,4.8
Gothic2_Chernyakhiv,4.4
Guanche,0.8

[1] "distance%=1.0626"
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
Celtiberian,67.6
Roman_Collegno,19.4
Gothic2_Chernyakhiv,6.8
Gothic_Chernyakhiv,4
Guanche,2.2

[1] "distance%=1.681"
Spanish_Castello
Celtiberian,72
Roman_Collegno,17
Gothic2_Chernyakhiv,9
Guanche,2

[1] "distance%=1.2751"
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Celtiberian,73.8
Roman_Collegno,22.4
Guanche,3.8

[1] "distance%=1.239"
Spanish_Cataluna
Celtiberian,71.2
Roman_Collegno,12.6
Gothic2_Chernyakhiv,11.2
Guanche,5

[1] "distance%=1.604"
Spanish_Extremadura
Celtiberian,59.2
Roman_Collegno,18.4
Gothic2_Chernyakhiv,12
Guanche,10.4

Where do I find this? On gedmatch?

[Nurzat]

MJ19 Chernyakhov 262-530 AD XJ2742214
MJ36 Chernyakhov Low Quality XA3802705
MJ37 Chernyakhov 243-386 AD RN2067517

Goth #1 = XJ2742214
Goth #2 = RN2067517

[Gaditanian]

Also apparently less Celtic, which is kinda ironic. The elevated North African is truly a mystery.

As I understand for what I studied at the high school, at the time of the Reconquest, the Moors were expelled from the areas of greatest value for Christians of the north. The Spanish Kings were always "Benevolent" and did not exterminate, but they forced them to relocate in the north, to move them away from the areas still pending conquest, and thus avoid pacts that could cause them to lose the land gained.

[Javiberius]

Okay my question is where do I find this new model admixtures for people of Iberian descent that’s being talked about in this thread???Gedmatch?

[Dick]

Goth #1 = XJ2742214
Goth #2 = RN2067517

Goth #2 plots a bit northwest of the Visigoth found in Spain. The eurogenes results are odd, how can she be "Balkan" admixed(basically West German+ Greek Thessaly) when she was found in the Ukraine.

[Adamastor]

As I understand for what I studied at the high school, at the time of the Reconquest, the Moors were expelled from the areas of greatest value for Christians of the north. The Spanish Kings were always "Benevolent" and did not exterminate, but they forced them to relocate in the north, to move them away from the areas still pending conquest, and thus avoid pacts that could cause them to lose the land gained.

That might be an alternative explanation, but I think most of the North African admixture in Galicians, Extremadurans and Portuguese arrived there with the Romans.