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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Ireland was controlled by Britain so it is very unlikely that Irish would go en masse to a non-English speaking country. Also I doubt that Britain would be encouraging a large expat Irish community in a non-British area that was Catholic.
    Language and religion is not a big problem. Immigration is to an independent country and immigrants are surplus labor (there is not much British government concern as you might think).

    To receive immigrants you need settlement plans. Seed for allowance or cattle, railway to drain production, local market, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    Its okay, I was just speculating about a possible scenario. If you're right, then more likely the Euro descent people in North America would have been only mostly Spanish, or Spanish and Italian like in Argentina. There would have been some Irish immigration as well, but they would be like drops in an ocean of Spanish immigrants (or Spanish and Italian immigrants) like I said on a previous post. Hypothetical Spanish North America would still have received some more Irish immigrants than Argentina though.
    As I've said Ireland was part of the UK so the odds are they would go to British controlled areas like they have always done in the past. A Spanish controlled US would get similar population sources as South America. I really can't see why that would change because it is North America. Look at Mexico for example. The Irish have always been part of the Anglosphere and I don't know why that would change. The only variable here is the US not being a British colony. They would just go in larger numbers to Australia and New Zealand or there would be just less immigration from Ireland over the years which would have been an interesting scenario. I could see even larger numbers going to Britain than have already done so and from there a lot would go to Australia and New Zealand.


    The Morrigan (also Mrrigan or Morrigu) is one of the most mysterious figures in Irish mythology.
    The name Morrigan means 'phantom queen' (or 'great queen') and describes a Goddess from old Ireland that was very associated with war, destiny, fate and death.
    She was a shape-shifter and frequently appeared as a black crow, an ominous sign for those who saw her prior to battle. Legend has it that the Morrigan was in fact a triad of sisters, often named as Badb, Macha and Nemain, while the Morrigan is also remembered as the triad of the land Goddesses riu, Banba and Fdla.


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    Quote Originally Posted by luc2112 View Post
    Language and religion is not a big problem. Immigration is to an independent country and immigrants are surplus labor (there is not much British government concern as you might think).

    To receive immigrants you need settlement plans. Seed for allowance or cattle, railway to drain production, local market, etc...
    There was British government concern about Irish always. Irish were always looking at ways they could get independence for Ireland. There was even an attempt to invade Canada by Irish soldiers that were in the US Army.

    Just over a year after Robert E. Lee relinquished his sword, a band of Union and Confederate veterans dusted off their guns. But these former foes had no intention of reigniting the Civil War. Instead, they fought side by side to undertake one of the most fantastical missions in military history: to seize the British province of Canada and to hold it hostage until the independence of Ireland was secured.
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    The Morrigan (also Mrrigan or Morrigu) is one of the most mysterious figures in Irish mythology.
    The name Morrigan means 'phantom queen' (or 'great queen') and describes a Goddess from old Ireland that was very associated with war, destiny, fate and death.
    She was a shape-shifter and frequently appeared as a black crow, an ominous sign for those who saw her prior to battle. Legend has it that the Morrigan was in fact a triad of sisters, often named as Badb, Macha and Nemain, while the Morrigan is also remembered as the triad of the land Goddesses riu, Banba and Fdla.


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    It would be a shithole lel. Iberian legacy in general is creating shitholes. Pretty much all the countries in Latin America turned out to be shitholes.

    They just took away every resource from Latin America to Spain and left their mongrels with a shitty half-baked political system, corruption, coup d'tat, and "mestizo families" so proud with daddy issues that even to this day they can't took them off from power.

    It's their fault Americans have a Mexican problem as it is. Imagine if Iberians didn't stick their dicks in every Native American alive. Southwest US would be paradise.
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    If you mean population replacement colonization, it is impossible. It was not even achieved in Argentina which is 10 times smaller, not even with the migration of Italians and others europeans

    If you want to say the military, missionary, exploitative colonization, that has already happened, the legacy best known is the cowboy culture which was the most appropriate exploitation model for these lands before the oil era


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    It would be similar to Argentina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    It would be similar to Argentina.
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    It would be similar to Mexico, not Argentina. People answering ''Argentina'' are mostly dumb climatic determinists and there's no correlation between climate and colonization. Much of Australia is tropical and they are mostly white, Argentina and Chile are mostly temperate and are mostly Mestizo.

    If the British never tried to colonize America then Spaniards would expand from the South and the colonization likely would be led by Mexican Criollos and Mestizos. Some parts of USA would still be heavily native and probably Canada would have been colonized by the Portuguese (the Portuguese tried to settle Canada in the 16th century but abandoned the project) and would be more or less similar to non-African slavery based regions of Brazil, i.e. mostly Portuguese genetically with bits of Indian + some other European immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    As I've said Ireland was part of the UK so the odds are they would go to British controlled areas like they have always done in the past. A Spanish controlled US would get similar population sources as South America. I really can't see why that would change because it is North America. Look at Mexico for example. The Irish have always been part of the Anglosphere and I don't know why that would change. The only variable here is the US not being a British colony. They would just go in larger numbers to Australia and New Zealand or there would be just less immigration from Ireland over the years which would have been an interesting scenario. I could see even larger numbers going to Britain than have already done so and from there a lot would go to Australia and New Zealand.
    I already said in my last post that if you were right, then there would just have been some limited Irish immigration, like drops in an ocean of Spanish (or Spanish and Italian immigrants). I just said that North America would likely had received some more Irish immigrants than Argentina, due to its closer proximity to Europe, but not a whole lot. That's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    It would be similar to Mexico, not Argentina. People answering ''Argentina'' are mostly dumb climatic determinists and there's no correlation between climate and colonization. Much of Australia is tropical and they are mostly white, Argentina and Chile are mostly temperate and are mostly Mestizo.

    If the British never tried to colonize America then Spaniards would expand from the South and the colonization likely would be led by Mexican Criollos and Mestizos. Some parts of USA would still be heavily native and probably Canada would have been colonized by the Portuguese (the Portuguese tried to settle Canada in the 16th century but abandoned the project) and would be more or less similar to non-African slavery based regions of Brazil, i.e. mostly Portuguese genetically with bits of Indian + some other European immigrants.
    It's also dumb to assume that the eastern coast, for example, would be as balanced mestizo as Mexico. It has a temperate four seasons climate, is closer to Spain, and very likely a great part of its Amerindian population would have succumbed to diseases brought by Spaniards. I never said it would be as white a Canada, and I agree that some parts of this vast continent would be more mestizo than other parts, but is dumb to assume that all North America would be as mestizo as Mexico. Very likely the eastern coast, and probably all the eastern half of the continent would be at least as much European as Argentina, if not more.

    Also, Australia is not all tropical. Its southern parts (which are the most populated) have a moderate 4 seasons climate, and southern Australian cities like Sidney and Melbourne have a very similar climate to Buenos Aires, and the south western Australian coast (where Perth is located) has a Mediterranean climate. So YES, those southern Australian temperate zones were determinant in Australia being heavily settled by British colonists.
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