Balts or Celts: who would be victorious?

[Ayetooey]

Sounds like complete BS to be honest.
There are no traces of Celts south of Sava river in CRO.

Main difference between southern and northern Croats is that they have Celtic blood unlike us - and that is why we are more eastern and southern shifted compared to them.

If you search "Dalmatae" and "Celts" pretty much every page will say they were Celticised, and there's many books and academic articles on it. Honestly; I think its more the case that southern Croats simply have more Roman blood considering the "Illyrians" were simply latin roman people by the time the slavs came, and they survived more so within coastal dalmatia/islands. I see no reason why these Illyrians would of resembled those 3000 BC ancient samples, they were probably very south east plotting due to Roman admix, and we know Romans were Sicillian/Greek Islander like genetically so this explains the south-east shift a lot better. North Croatia was closer to peripheral Celts so more admix likely survived there.

[Jana]

If you search "Dalmatae" and "Celts" pretty much every page will say they were Celticised, and there's many books and academic articles on it. Honestly; I think its more the case that southern Croats simply have more Roman blood considering the "Illyrians" were simply latin roman people by the time the slavs came, and they survived more so within coastal dalmatia/islands. I see no reason why these Illyrians would of resembled those 3000 BC ancient samples, they were probably very south east plotting due to Roman admix, and we know Romans were Sicillian/Greek Islander like genetically so this explains the south-east shift a lot better. North Croatia was closer to peripheral Celts so more admix likely survived there.

Ok I agree with that. I also think Illyrians recived significant Roman input which shifted them SE from their original North Italian like genetic profile.

But I really don't think there is any celtic admix. Many Dalmatians are eastern for their geography and mostly overlap Moldovans.

For example we have no Celtic toponyms or acheological traces, NW Croatia has and their genetics shows it clearly.

It is little different in Serbia, where Scordisci lived (Celtic tribe) , but they mixed rather with Thracians. Also in Bulgaria.

[tipirneni]

Celts have been at the center of politics from Greek times to Anglo colonization even though they were smaller nation & maintained significant army always. Balts never moved out of their home land.

[Dick]

Ok I agree with that. I also think Illyrians recived significant Roman input which shifted them SE from their original North Italian like genetic profile.

But I really don't think there is any celtic admix. Many Dalmatians are eastern for their geography and mostly overlap Moldovans.

For example we have no Celtic toponyms or acheological traces, NW Croatia has and their genetics shows it clearly.

It is little different in Serbia, where Scordisci lived (Celtic tribe) , but they mixed rather with Thracians. Also in Bulgaria.

Celts and Thracians, or probably more specifically Triballi, mixed. It was recorded by the Romans that the inhabitants of Singidun were a mixture of Celts and Thracians. Naissus was also originally a celtic town, probably more too.

The Triballi inhabited the Great Morava valley in the 5th century BC. In 279 BC, during the Gallic invasion of the Balkans, the Scordisci tribe defeated the Triballi and settled their lands.

[Jana]

Celts and Thracians, or probably more specifically Triballi, mixed. It was recorded by the Romans that the inhabitants of Singudun were a mixture of Celts and Thracians. Naissus was also originally a celtic town, probably more too.

Yes, and that is probably why in Serbia are many Celtic G2a clades and why some Serbs get Irish and Scottish n autosomal like Moje Ime who seem to have Celt admixture on gedmatch too.

[Dick]

Yes, and that is probably why in Serbia are many Celtic G2a clades and why some Serbs get Irish and Scottish n autosomal like Moje Ime who see to have Celt admixture on gedmatch too.

Tesa Tesanovic, a journalist, tested and is G2a




But seriously though, wouldnt the autosmali have been diluted by now

[Jana]

Tesa Tesanovic, a journalist, tested and is G2a




But seriously though, wouldnt the autosmali have been diluted by now

If people with similar admixture mix there is no dillution.

[Dick]

If people with similar admixture mix there is no dillution.

True i guess, especially if people are mixing from the same village or surrounding villages for generations. How else would these rare lineages stay alive as well

[Gwydion]

If it were just the modern Celtic nations, I might give the edge to the Celts especially given the martial reputation of the Scots and Irish historically. That said none of the Celtic nations built an empire on conquest equivalent to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania during the later Middle Ages.

If you mean the modern descendants of the ancient Celts then I'd say Celts no question since this would include the English, French, Belgians, and a significant amount of Germans, among others.

[TheOldNorth]

These 2 ethnicities are from smaller less populated nations set apart by distance, their peoples and cultures never clashing. Had they clashed in war who would have came out on top?

The celts were the lords of Iron and bronze, masters of the chariot and horse right up there with the Scythians, with the longest most flexible swords of there day that would influence all european swords to come, and were the inventors of chain mail and made the basis for roman helmets and shields... I’d say if we’re talking about the pre-roman Iron Age, definitely the celts