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    Default Migration era (Hun and Germanic-Roman mixed ?) samples from east Croatia, cranially deformed

    3 Samples of adolescent males with severe malnutrition, similar diet and very different genetic ancestry from Osijek, eastern Croatia (dated to 5th century)

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0216366

    PCA:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0216366.g003

    Raw Data Download : European Nucleotide Database, ID: PRJEB33257
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    If somebody can analyse their genomes, upload to gedmatch/G25 and make good summary out of this important discovery, I would be grateful.

    I am confimed to mobile phone so I am limited in ability to study this paper in detail.

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    Some quotes:

    Based on the archeological context and a direct radiocarbon date, the feature was dated to the 5th/6th century CE, and it is likely associated with the Huns or Germanic tribes.

    During the 5th and 6th century CE, the region around modern day city of Osijek (the Roman Province Panonnia Secunda) was under the Hunnish rule, than under the Ostrogothic rule, and finally under the Gepid rule, with some shorter interruptions when they were finally replaced by Avars

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    Individual without artificial cranial deformation shows broadly West Eurasian associated ancestry, individual with tabular oblique type has East Eurasian ancestry, and the 3rd individual with circular-erect type has Near Eastern associated ancestry

    Based on this results we speculate that artificial cranial deformation type may have been visual indicator of membership in a specific cultural group

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    Y dnas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Y dnas?
    Idk, I am on mobile until September. Their raw data is publically available for download, so hopefully somebody do it.

    One looks completely NE Asian, one east med/levantine other mixed Germanic but I am not sure, still processing the text.
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    Interesting as there are also the individuals found in Bavaria with ACD, they will probably find that they're related.
    Just a 26.6% European individual

    G25 "26.6% Austrian:Austria6 + 73.4% Romanian:G408" "0.0096"
    EU TEST 86.9% RO + 13.1% West_&_Central_German @ 4.98
    K13 56.9% Tu(ran)scan + 43.1% Ukrainian @ 4.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow View Post
    Interesting as there are also the individuals found in Bavaria with ACD, they will probably find that they're related.
    Yes, they mention that. Mongoloid and MENA like sample have deformed skulls, most European one does not.

    The latter two individuals show ancestries similar to the ones seen in the Early Medieval Bavarians, which also included the presence of individuals of Southern European/Near Eastern ancestries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Y dnas?
    Let's guess, i say R1a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pater Patota View Post
    Let's guess, i say R1a.
    Most likely they have different ydna because they are genetically unrelated, all 3 are males so perhaps we can find out.

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