South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

[Moje ime]

Why not? There are not some drastic difference between regions because of centuries of migrations.

There seems to be prejudice that southeastern Serbs are generally southern shifted and Serbs with Bosnian origin are northern shifted. It seems we need more samples to confirm or deny this finally.

[Dušan]

There seems to be prejudice that southeastern Serbs are generally southern shifted and Serbs with Bosnian origin are northern shifted. It seems we need more samples to confirm or deny this finally.

Jovan Cvijić, our well-known geographer, whose science temathic was migrations and origins od population:

"Kao rezultat tih ispitivanja izlazi da je, počevši od kraja XIV veka pa kroz tursko vreme do naših dana, ispremeštano skoro sve stanovništvo na prostoru od Veleške Klisure na Vardaru pa do Zagrebačke Gore. A glavnu masu tih što se kreću i naseljavaju čini dinarsko stanovništvo, čiji su glavni deo stari Rašani, narod srpske srednjevekovne države. Struje koje premeštaju stanovništvo sticale su se više od četiri veka u Srbiju; skoro toliko isto vremena u Dalmaciju; prelazile su Dunav, Savu, Unu, Kupu, čak i Dravu i naseljavale su Banat, Bačku, Baranju, Srem i Slavoniju, Hrvatsku, Štajersku, Kranjsku; prešle su na mnoga ostrva ili otoke Jadranskoga Mora, u Istru, u okolinu Trsta, čak neke slabe struje u Goricu. Prelazile su u Italiju, poglavito u mletačku oblast i u Abruce; zatim u Erdelj i južnu Rusiju.

Usled tih seoba je znatno izmenjen raspored naroda na Balkanskom Poluostrvu. U mnogim oblastima je jedno stanovništvo smenjeno drugim, drukčijih osobina, negde drugog jezika, a često drukčijeg dijalekta. Nastala su ukrštanja stanovništva, koje se usled migracija izmešalo, i izvršili su se raznovrsni etnički i etno-biološki procesi, koji su u mnogome izmenili etnički tip pojedinih oblasti: često je nestalo starog pokrajinskog ili istorijskog srednjevekovnog narodnog tipa i obrazovao se nov etnički amalgam."

[vbnetkhio]

There seems to be prejudice that southeastern Serbs are generally southern shifted and Serbs with Bosnian origin are northern shifted. It seems we need more samples to confirm or deny this finally.

i still wonder who are those Serbs from Aspar's map. these east Serbs i plotted are nothing like them

[Jackson78]

That is result of member Jelic from Poreklo.

It is my result, my first nickname was Jelic. And i'm not R1a-YP4278, that is my maternal grandfather's Y-DNA.

[ph2ter]

From this PCA plot it can be seen what was like the pre-Slavic population in different Balkan areas before Slavic migration in the 6th century:

[Moje ime]

i still wonder who are those Serbs from Aspar's map. these east Serbs i plotted are nothing like them

Where is result of those east Serbs you plotted?

[vbnetkhio]

Where is result of those east Serbs you plotted?

ok, they are more mixed, east, central,southeast
i checked the coordinates again they are correct

T331132
Bela palanka+sumadija
North_Sea 15.55 Pct
Atlantic 18.94 Pct
Baltic 20.28 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.93 Pct
West_Med 10.08 Pct
West_Asian 8.22 Pct
East_Med 10.32 Pct
Red_Sea 0.50 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.67 Pct
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.21 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Bela palanka

1 North_Sea 22.24
3 Atlantic 12.74
2 Baltic 22.14
4 Eastern_Euro 11.38
6 West_Med 11.07
7 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 11.08

Zajecar and Leskovac


2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
1 Baltic 21.8
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
4 West_Med 11.61
7 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Med 10.7
8 Red_Sea 1.31

[Moje ime]

ok, they are more mixed, east, central,southeast
i checked the coordinates again they are correct

T331132
Bela palanka+sumadija
North_Sea 15.55 Pct
Atlantic 18.94 Pct
Baltic 20.28 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.93 Pct
West_Med 10.08 Pct
West_Asian 8.22 Pct
East_Med 10.32 Pct
Red_Sea 0.50 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.67 Pct
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.21 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Bela palanka

1 North_Sea 22.24
3 Atlantic 12.74
2 Baltic 22.14
4 Eastern_Euro 11.38
6 West_Med 11.07
7 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 11.08

Zajecar and Leskovac


2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
1 Baltic 21.8
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
4 West_Med 11.61
7 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Med 10.7
8 Red_Sea 1.31

Still not much south shifted as far as I can see. Are they on map?

[vbnetkhio]

Still not much south shifted as far as I can see. Are they on map?

yes.
not south shifted at all. the first guy gets Croatia on the first place in k15 oracle

[Moje ime]

Since I have it, I wonder from where comes small African admixture in some of Serbian results?

I've seen that in one Montenegrin result too, not in many Serbian results actually.
I didn't notice that as frequent in Albanian results as well (maybe I'm wrong).

Somehow I have impression it is related with Montenegro.