Which have more Greek ancestry: Turks or Greece's northern neighbours?

[Adamastor]

Yeah its true but most people who are directly descended from Anatolian Greeks live today in Greece or are part of the modern Greek ethnos
after their ancestry were in 1920-1922 and some of them also later on forced to leave Asia Minor and go to Greece by the nationalist Young Turk movement



Yes it was but most heirs of the Greek/Greek speaking people from these regions outside todays Greece live nowadays in Greece

A part of them, yes. But would be naive to think Greek people in all these regions just got all expelled. People have switched identities throughout history, no nation is homogeneous since the beggining of time lol.

People in these forums like to discuss petty stuff for nationalistic reasons, but the fact is that no Old World ethnicity is completely pure when compared to its neighbours.

[catgeorge]

A part of them, yes. But would be naive to think Greek people in all these regions just got all expelled. People have switched identities throughout history, no nation is homogeneous since the beggining of time lol.

People in these forums like to discuss petty stuff for nationalistic reasons, but the fact is that no Old World ethnicity is completely pure when compared to its neighbours.

Absolute leftist egalitarian rubbish.

Homogeneous is a specific and correct term - deal with it.

[Tauromachos]

A part of them, yes. But would be naive to think Greek people in all these regions just got all expelled. People have switched identities throughout history, no nation is homogeneous since the beggining of time lol.

People descending from real Anatolian Greek people "that means people in Anatolia who were not only Greek by some ancestry but also by
identity and language" live today in Greece and are Greek by nationality ,often mixed and married with other "Non Anatolian " Greek people including
Mainlanders"lol"

Modern Turcs have no direct claim on anything related to Greek heritage or culture in their country "unless they show sincere interest and respect for our country Greece,its history and its right for existence and selfdetermination"since they choose themselves to be Turcs
or whatever so if they want to brag about something they should brag about things brought forward by the culture and identity they choose and not by
Greeks

Same applies to Albos,Fyromanians and other such folks who might have Greek ancestors but choose to be not Greeks and want to teach
Greeks about their identity or want to claim achievements of Greek/Hellenic culture as their own and not as ours"Greek"

People in these forums like to discuss petty stuff for nationalistic reasons, but the fact is that no Old World ethnicity is completely pure when compared to its neighbours.

Yes of course not

But purity should not even be a matter of debate at least it never realy was for me

[Adamastor]

Absolute leftist egalitarian rubbish.

Homogeneous is a specific and correct term - deal with it.

Not really, just common sense.

[Decius]

Greeks northern neighbors by far.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Bump

[vbnetkhio]

Honest question.

autosomally Greek northern neighbours are very similar to Greeks or often identical to them, and the average Turk pretty much a Cauasian, and far away from Greeks . but Turks probably have more ancestry from actual Greeks.

[Leto]

autosomally Greek northern neighbours are very similar to Greeks or often identical to them, and the average Turk pretty much a Cauasian, and far away from Greeks . but Turks probably have more ancestry from actual Greeks.

From another forum. A Turk from Afyon


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.75
2 West_Asian 21.88
3 West_Med 13.83
4 North_Atlantic 9.82
5 Baltic 9.07
6 East_Asian 5.45
7 Siberian 5.17
8 Red_Sea 3.72
9 South_Asian 1.8
10 Oceanian 1.45
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.32
2 Central_Greek 13.35
3 East_Sicilian 14.07
4 South_Italian 14.77
5 Ashkenazi 15
6 Azeri 15.33
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.6
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.76
9 Cyprian 16.76
10 Lebanese_Muslim 16.78
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.61
13 Syrian 17.86
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.3
15 Italian_Jewish 18.39
16 Assyrian 18.89
17 Turkmen 18.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.03
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% Italian_Jewish + 45.3% Nogay @ 4.62
2 57.2% Cyprian + 42.8% Nogay @ 4.78
3 54.9% Algerian_Jewish + 45.1% Nogay @ 4.91
4 53.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.2% Nogay @ 5.1
5 56.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 43.2% Nogay @ 5.14
6 59.9% Central_Greek + 40.1% Turkmen @ 5.38
7 56.5% Ashkenazi + 43.5% Turkmen @ 5.43
8 58.4% East_Sicilian + 41.6% Turkmen @ 5.52
9 62.7% Ashkenazi + 37.3% Balkar @ 5.7
10 60.5% Ashkenazi + 39.5% Nogay @ 5.71
11 52.9% Libyan_Jewish + 47.1% Nogay @ 5.74
12 64.9% Turkish + 35.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.89
13 57.1% South_Italian + 42.9% Turkmen @ 5.93
14 71.2% Turkish + 28.8% Bulgarian @ 5.97
15 73.5% Turkish + 26.5% Romanian @ 6.2
16 61.2% South_Italian + 38.8% Nogay @ 6.27
17 51% Algerian_Jewish + 49% Turkmen @ 6.29
18 76.7% Turkish + 23.3% Serbian @ 6.3
19 63.8% Ashkenazi + 36.2% Kabardin @ 6.33
20 65.9% Ashkenazi + 34.1% North_Ossetian @ 6.34


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.83
2 Atlantic_Med 14.64
3 North_European 13.72
4 Gedrosia 10.44
5 Southwest_Asian 10.33
6 East_Asian 4.63
7 Siberian 3.39
8 Southeast_Asian 3.13
9 Northwest_African 1.37
10 South_Asian 1.32
11 East_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.53
2 Turks (Behar) 11.81
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.11
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.18
5 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.7
6 Greek (Dodecad) 16.75
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 16.97
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.2
9 Lebanese (Behar) 17.95
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.44
11 Cypriots (Behar) 18.45
12 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 18.78
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 19.21
14 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.7
15 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 21.01
16 Kurd (Dodecad) 21.17
17 Syrians (Behar) 21.19
18 Iranian (Dodecad) 21.22
19 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 21.41
20 C_Italian (Dodecad) 21.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 46.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.05
2 61.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 38.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.18
3 59.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 40.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.47
4 50.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 49.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.89
5 86.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.16
6 81.3% Turks (Behar) + 18.7% French (HGDP) @ 6.16
7 86.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.18
8 83.5% Turks (Behar) + 16.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 6.2
9 82.7% Turks (Behar) + 17.3% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 6.26
10 83% Turks (Behar) + 17% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 6.28
11 84.5% Turks (Behar) + 15.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.28
12 83.1% Turks (Behar) + 16.9% English (Dodecad) @ 6.28
13 83.5% Turks (Behar) + 16.5% British (Dodecad) @ 6.29
14 83.1% Turks (Behar) + 16.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 6.29
15 81.6% Turks (Behar) + 18.4% German (Dodecad) @ 6.32
16 83.9% Turks (Behar) + 16.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 6.32
17 83.9% Turks (Behar) + 16.1% Irish (Dodecad) @ 6.33
18 83.4% Turks (Behar) + 16.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 6.33
19 86.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 6.33
20 83.9% Turks (Behar) + 16.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 6.33

[vbnetkhio]

From another forum. A Turk from Afyon

They seem just Greek + Turkic, without much native Anatolian.

61.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 38.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev)

Ashkenazi means Greek too, Ahskenazis are basically mostly Greeks who converted to Judaism. and most European Jews plot as South Italians or Greeks on PCAs.

[Rgvgjhvv]

From another forum. A Turk from Afyon


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.75
2 West_Asian 21.88
3 West_Med 13.83
4 North_Atlantic 9.82
5 Baltic 9.07
6 East_Asian 5.45
7 Siberian 5.17
8 Red_Sea 3.72
9 South_Asian 1.8
10 Oceanian 1.45
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.32
2 Central_Greek 13.35
3 East_Sicilian 14.07
4 South_Italian 14.77
5 Ashkenazi 15
6 Azeri 15.33
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.6
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.76
9 Cyprian 16.76
10 Lebanese_Muslim 16.78
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.61
13 Syrian 17.86
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.3
15 Italian_Jewish 18.39
16 Assyrian 18.89
17 Turkmen 18.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.03
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% Italian_Jewish + 45.3% Nogay @ 4.62
2 57.2% Cyprian + 42.8% Nogay @ 4.78
3 54.9% Algerian_Jewish + 45.1% Nogay @ 4.91
4 53.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.2% Nogay @ 5.1
5 56.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 43.2% Nogay @ 5.14
6 59.9% Central_Greek + 40.1% Turkmen @ 5.38
7 56.5% Ashkenazi + 43.5% Turkmen @ 5.43
8 58.4% East_Sicilian + 41.6% Turkmen @ 5.52
9 62.7% Ashkenazi + 37.3% Balkar @ 5.7
10 60.5% Ashkenazi + 39.5% Nogay @ 5.71
11 52.9% Libyan_Jewish + 47.1% Nogay @ 5.74
12 64.9% Turkish + 35.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.89
13 57.1% South_Italian + 42.9% Turkmen @ 5.93
14 71.2% Turkish + 28.8% Bulgarian @ 5.97
15 73.5% Turkish + 26.5% Romanian @ 6.2
16 61.2% South_Italian + 38.8% Nogay @ 6.27
17 51% Algerian_Jewish + 49% Turkmen @ 6.29
18 76.7% Turkish + 23.3% Serbian @ 6.3
19 63.8% Ashkenazi + 36.2% Kabardin @ 6.33
20 65.9% Ashkenazi + 34.1% North_Ossetian @ 6.34


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.83
2 Atlantic_Med 14.64
3 North_European 13.72
4 Gedrosia 10.44
5 Southwest_Asian 10.33
6 East_Asian 4.63
7 Siberian 3.39
8 Southeast_Asian 3.13
9 Northwest_African 1.37
10 South_Asian 1.32
11 East_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.53
2 Turks (Behar) 11.81
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.11
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.18
5 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.7
6 Greek (Dodecad) 16.75
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 16.97
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.2
9 Lebanese (Behar) 17.95
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.44
11 Cypriots (Behar) 18.45
12 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 18.78
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 19.21
14 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.7
15 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 21.01
16 Kurd (Dodecad) 21.17
17 Syrians (Behar) 21.19
18 Iranian (Dodecad) 21.22
19 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 21.41
20 C_Italian (Dodecad) 21.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 46.6% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.05
2 61.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 38.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.18
3 59.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 40.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.47
4 50.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 49.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.89
5 86.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.16
6 81.3% Turks (Behar) + 18.7% French (HGDP) @ 6.16
7 86.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.18
8 83.5% Turks (Behar) + 16.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 6.2
9 82.7% Turks (Behar) + 17.3% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 6.26
10 83% Turks (Behar) + 17% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 6.28
11 84.5% Turks (Behar) + 15.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.28
12 83.1% Turks (Behar) + 16.9% English (Dodecad) @ 6.28
13 83.5% Turks (Behar) + 16.5% British (Dodecad) @ 6.29
14 83.1% Turks (Behar) + 16.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 6.29
15 81.6% Turks (Behar) + 18.4% German (Dodecad) @ 6.32
16 83.9% Turks (Behar) + 16.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 6.32
17 83.9% Turks (Behar) + 16.1% Irish (Dodecad) @ 6.33
18 83.4% Turks (Behar) + 16.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 6.33
19 86.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 6.33
20 83.9% Turks (Behar) + 16.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 6.33

I guess a "Balkan Turk" but very cool I like it.