Which have more Greek ancestry: Turks or Greece's northern neighbours?

[Dušan]

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[Adamastor]

Turks. Many Turks are turkified Pontic Greeks or Capaddocian Greeks and in some parts of Turkey they also have mainland Greek and islander ancestry.

Balkanites are mostly Paleo-Balkan + Slavic.

[Bellbeaking]

Turks can be modelled as %60 Greek %40 Turkmen.
Check how can Northern neighbours of Greece be modelled and decide.

That 60% isn't actual greek though, its just anatolian. A lot of the so called 'Greek' Ancestry in Turkey is indigenous Anatolian ancestry.

[Adamastor]

That 60% isn't actual greek though, its just anatolian. A lot of the so called 'Greek' Ancestry in Turkey is indigenous Anatolian ancestry.

Anatolian Greeks are also Greeks, no? By Greek I understand any Greek speaking population, not just modern mainland Greeks.

[SharpFork]

Anatolian Greeks are also Greeks, no? By Greek I understand any Greek speaking population, not just modern mainland Greeks.

Yes this is a key point, were the Aegean Greeks in Anatolia always Anatolian genetically? If yes we are basically excluding a population that was Greek speaking since the early Archaic era for no reason at all.

[Adamastor]

Yes this is a key point, were the Aegean Greeks in Anatolia always Anatolian genetically? If yes we are basically excluding a population that was Greek speaking since the early Archaic era for no reason at all.

Sure. WHen they say these people are/were ''hellenized natives'' they are implying it's a recent trend when much of Western Anatolia was already Greek-speaking by the 10th century before Common Era. Herodotus, Pre-Socratic Philosophers and many other famous ancient Greeks were actually from Western Anatolia.

Western Anatolia became Greek not much after Balkan region that is now modern Greece was hellenized by proto-Greeks.

[Nurzat]

Honest question.

in Romania the nobles were mostly Greeks (Phanariotes) - almost any village in Wallachia and Moldova had one or more Greek noble families and it's said these landowners/boyars were also fucking the local native village girls, so a lot of Romanians in Wallachia and Moldova must have such Greek ancestry from out of wedlock affairs of the boyars, many times if not most times probably against the will of the girls. almost all nobles, at least the more important families, in Wallachia and Moldova, were of non-Vlach origin, as well as the public offices: Greeks (Phanariotes) mostly, but also Albanians (Arvanites) and Armenians. later on, the Jews established themselves as main merchants and the Aromanians (Armani) took a lot of public office as well. so some Greek ancestry into Romanians can also come from Albanians and Aromanians.


nMonte G25:

Spoiler!

"sample": "Romanian:Average",
"fit": 0.49

"Greek": 57.5%
"German": 20.83%
"Ukrainian": 19.17%
"Tatar_Kazan": 2.5%


"sample": "Romanian:Average",
"fit": 0.5615,

"Albanian": 35%
"Greek": 31.67%
"Ukrainian": 19.17%
"Swedish": 14.17%


dunno why the Romanian sample gets 15-20% Germanic if I throw it in there. vs mine:


"sample": "Custom:Nurzat",
"fit": 1.0611

"Ukrainian": 44.17%
"Greek": 36.67%
"German": 15%
"Tatar_Kazan": 4.17%


"sample": "Custom:Nurzat",
"fit": 1.0626,

"Ukrainian": 48.33%
"Greek": 23.33%
"Albanian": 17.5%
"Swedish": 10.83%

[Bornoz]

That 60% isn't actual greek though, its just anatolian. A lot of the so called 'Greek' Ancestry in Turkey is indigenous Anatolian ancestry.

''Just'' Anatolian
By that logic you can only call Cretans as ''Greek'' and even they are influenced heavily by Northern invaders. They are our closest Greek plot after Anatolian Greeks though.
We are relatively close to Myceneans despite our Turkmen background and Iranian influence



By the way believe me bro, Anatolians are not just Anatolians. Anatolia is one of the most valuable parts of the world and and so are its people

[Jana]

Thracians and Ilyrians were genetically related to Greeks.
All Slavic Balkanites have lot Greek admixture in mixed mode oracles in most of calculators.

True, they were, still they were not Greeks.
Eurogenes does not have Albanian samples who share much more ancestry with us.

[Bellbeaking]

''Just'' Anatolian
By that logic you can only call Cretans as ''Greek'' and even they are influenced heavily by Northern invaders. They are our closest plot Greek plot after Anatolian Greeks though.
We are relatively close to Myceneans despite our Turkmen background and Iranian influence



By the way believe me bro, Anatolians are not just Anatolians. Anatolia is one of the most valuable parts of the world and and so are its people

I am 1/4 anatolian greek myself