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Thread: Are the Ashkenazi Jews genetically white or Middle Eastern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by malka View Post
    Genetically half Levantine, half Euro. Culturally my family is more Middle Eastern than Euro, but I'm sure that varies across Ashkenazim
    That happens when you're Israeli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Even the idea of Northern Romaniotes mixing with Khazars is no longer tenable. Not after this summer, when Khazar bones were inspected for this very thing.

    I'm one of those Ashkenazim with high East Asian, maybe even a bit over 2%. While the origin is undetermined, a Khazar one is no longer plausible. Available options are East Asian women through the silk road and/or East Asian inherited from other MENA migrations, as was found in the Lebanese Roman sample QED-2. He has the exact same East Asian as I do (Malayan in K36).
    So it looks like any form of Khazar genetic contribution towards Ashkenazi Jews is dispelled as myth.

    I would be fascinated to see the recent study about Khazars and northern Romaniote Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnbringer View Post
    So it looks like any form of Khazar genetic contribution towards Ashkenazi Jews is dispelled as myth.

    I would be fascinated to see the recent study about Khazars and northern Romaniote Jews.
    It didn't look at Northern Romaniotes specifically, as they no longer exist. It did check for any similarity to Ashkenazim, and they found none. In the narrative you were considering, the Northern Romaniotes would've been absorbed into Ashkenazim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnbringer View Post
    So it looks like any form of Khazar genetic contribution towards Ashkenazi Jews is dispelled as myth.

    I would be fascinated to see the recent study about Khazars and northern Romaniote Jews.
    It didn't look at Northern Romaniotes specifically, as they no longer exist. It did check for any similarity to Ashkenazim, and they found none. In the narrative you were considering, the Northern Romaniotes would've been absorbed into Ashkenazim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    You can move it south and Ashkenazim will still be in the Middle East, while South Italians won't. Are you still pushing this narrative?
    Which would be just as arbitrary. They'll still be closer to each other than to pretty much any other population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Which would be just as arbitrary. They'll still be closer to each other than to pretty much any other population.
    We've been over this - their proximity doesn't demonstrate that they derive from the same population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    We've been over this - their proximity doesn't demonstrate that they derive from the same population.
    I didn't say they necessarily did, they just have similar components.

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    Given the differences in IBD, physical appearance and yDNA/mtDNA I guess Ashkenazi Jews and Sicilians/Calabrians/Cretans overlap by ''coincidence''. Despite being half Middle Eastern genetically (Sicilians/Calabrians/Cretans are a bit more European though, being 60-70% Euro and the rest Levantine) Ashkenazim on average look whiter than many South Euro groups, including groups further north like Iberians and Tuscans.

    Defining ''European'' is difficult, but I think they have enough shared history with Europe to be considered ''Europeans''.

    Just correcting a point: the only South Italians overlapping with Ashkenazi Jews are Sicilians/Calabrians (and only a part of them, some Calabrians and Sicilians overlap with mainland Greeks), so stop using ''South Italians'' as a whole because it's incorrect. South Italy is much bigger than Sicily and southern Calabria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    Dude, he just drew 2 circles in the K15 map.
    Yeah but did he draw those circles. It's really important I know it means the world to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markos View Post
    Yeah but did he draw those circles. It's really important I know it means the world to me
    I'm right behind you if you fall.

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