Is Vistula River a genetic border

**~~Dawnbringer~~** · 08-26-2019, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Cumansky

What were the 0.3% doing there? Shining my GGrandfather shoes, they were treated lower than Zyd

Most of the Germans who have settled in the region in the middle-ages were Polanized and assimilated into the Polish population in Galicia by the time the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth was dissolved. Most of the German Galicians in the early-20th century were descendants from settlers who came shortly after Galicia first became a Crownland of the Austrian Empire in 1772. King Joseph II wanted to establish a greater German presence in the area, which is understandable for a new established province.

**~~Cumansky~~** · 08-26-2019, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

I bet if they could be tested, the results would've been pretty different. What you posted is based solely on your own results. I understand that's all you can possibly have (sorry for your loss) but it might not be accurate.

Ok Mr. Red Sea

**Leto** · 08-26-2019, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Cumansky

Leto is self hating Jew, that is Rofl

I've avoided responding to you because of the amount of trolling and silly personal attacks. Lately I thought I could give you a second chance but looks like I shouldn't.
What does my ethnic background have to do with that particular remark of mine? Not to mention what you're saying is nonsense (I score 0% Jewish on all tests - FTDNA, MH, DNA Land, etc.).

**Peterski** · 08-26-2019, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

Why are using 1 person as an example to prove your point? There's literally a south Polish sample, it's more Germanic.

That sample is called South Polish because it plots to the south (closer to Southern Europe), not because it is geographically from Southern Poland.

It is also not more Germanic, IIRC it has lower "North_Sea" on K15 than Polish.

Germanic people get more affinity to southern Poles on K36 maps as well.

Some examples? Maybe South Germans are closer to South Poles, but not North Germans.

And it is due to higher amounts of southern admixtures.

**~~Cumansky~~** · 08-26-2019, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Dawnbringer

Most of the Germans who have settled in the region in the middle-ages were Polanized and assimilated into the Polish population in Galicia by the time the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth was dissolved. Most of the German Galicians in the early-20th century were descendants from settlers who came shortly after Galicia first became a Crownland of the Austrian Empire in 1772. King Joseph II wanted to establish a greater German presence in the area, which is understandable for a new established province.

I don't know what you are talking about man, you have to stop this

**~~Cumansky~~** · 08-26-2019, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

I've avoided responding to you because of the amount of trolling and silly personal attacks. Lately I thought I could give you a second chance but looks like I shouldn't.
What does my ethnic background have to do with that particular remark of mine? Not to mention what you're saying is nonsense (I score 0% Jewish on all tests - FTDNA, MH, DNA Land, etc.).

I don't care about you or where your ancestors ran away from, don't worry about me or making statements on Polish people

**Peterski** · 08-26-2019, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

Aren't Pomeranians majority Ukrainian Polish post WW2 resettlement migrant descended now?

It follows pre-WW2 border - on the German side of pre-war border most are resettlers, but not from Ukraine at all. Poles from Ukraine settled in Lower Silesia mainly. East Pomerania was mainly settled by people coming from right across the border (for example Kashubians from Polish pre-war areas settled in nearby German areas, and so on). And in West Pomerania (Szczecin etc.) it is a mix of everything but also very few from Ukraine. Much more are from various parts of Poland as well as Poles from Lithuania and Belarus.

**~~Dawnbringer~~** · 08-26-2019, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Cumansky

I don't know what you are talking about man, you have to stop this

Early German settlers were largely Polanized by the end of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and were absorbed into the Polish population.

Later 18th century German settlers into Galicia and their descendants never underwent mass Polanization and were not absorbed into the greater population. They were expelled in the 1940s.

**Leto** · 08-26-2019, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Litvinski

It follows pre-WW2 border - on the German side of pre-war border most are resettlers, but not from Ukraine at all. Poles from Ukraine settled in Lower Silesia mainly. East Pomerania was mainly settled by people coming from right across the border (for example Kashubians from Polish pre-war areas settled in nearby German areas, and so on). And in West Pomerania (Szczecin etc.) it is a mix of everything but also very few from Ukraine. Much more are from various parts of Poland as well as Poles from Lithuania and Belarus.

And Lubusz and Opole?

**XenophobicPrussian** · 08-26-2019, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Litvinski

That sample is called South Polish because it plots to the south (closer to Southern Europe), not because it is geographically from Southern Poland.

It is also not more Germanic, IIRC it has lower "North_Sea" on K15 than Polish.

Some examples? Maybe South Germans are closer to South Poles, but not North Germans.

And it is due to higher amounts of southern admixtures.

That makes no sense, where is it from then?

It has lower North_Sea because it also has more southern stuff, but South_Polish has a higher ratio of North Sea to Baltic and Eastern Euro than Polish does.

K36 webrunner:

"sample": "PL_Central:Average",
"fit": 1.7019,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 81.67,
"Norway_south-east": 18.33,
"Lithuania": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 2.085548",
"Lithuania:average: 3.716062",
"Norway_south-east:average: 5.567557"

"sample": "PL_Subcarpathia:Average",
"fit": 1.2287,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 69.17,
"Norway_south-east": 30.83,
"Lithuania": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 2.345504",
"Lithuania:average: 3.847433",
"Norway_south-east:average: 4.673069"

(there's also a Malopolska sample but it won't work)

Those are from far south-east Poland, looks like Ukrainian Poles would only raise the Germanic admixture in western Poland, somehow.

"sample": "PL_Lublin:Average",
"fit": 1.6683,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 57.5,
"Lithuania": 22.5,
"Norway_south-east": 20,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 2.120285",
"Lithuania:average: 3.113784",
"Norway_south-east:average: 5.617673"

"sample": "PL_Masovia:Average",
"fit": 0.7956,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 53.33,
"Lithuania": 31.67,
"Norway_south-east": 15,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 1.381268",
"Lithuania:average: 2.348435",
"Norway_south-east:average: 5.827066"

"sample": "PL_Upper_Silesia:Average",
"fit": 1.1608,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 69.17,
"Norway_south-east": 30,
"Lithuania": 0.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 2.276540",
"Lithuania:average: 3.756143",
"Norway_south-east:average: 4.694141"

Unfortunately Suwalki, Pomerania and Wielkopolska don't work.

Just realized mid post I need to add something to account for Celtic because K36 will pick Germanic over Balto-Slavic to account for it, Germanic isn't inflated anymore but still, southern Poland has the most except Kashubians.

"sample": "PL_Central:Average",
"fit": 1.4116,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 67.5,
"FR_South": 16.67,
"Lithuania": 11.67,
"Norway_south-east": 4.17,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 2.085548",
"Lithuania:average: 3.716062",
"Norway_south-east:average: 5.567557",
"FR_South:average: 7.018126"

"sample": "PL_Subcarpathia:Average",
"fit": 0.9576,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 47.5,
"Lithuania": 19.17,
"Norway_south-east": 17.5,
"FR_South": 15.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 2.345504",
"Lithuania:average: 3.847433",
"Norway_south-east:average: 4.673069",
"FR_South:average: 6.603492"

"sample": "PL_Masovia:Average",
"fit": 0.7929,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 50,
"Lithuania": 35,
"Norway_south-east": 12.5,
"FR_South": 2.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 1.381268",
"Lithuania:average: 2.348435",
"Norway_south-east:average: 5.827066",
"FR_South:average: 8.172392"

"sample": "PL_Upper_Silesia:Average",
"fit": 0.9873,
"Ukraine_Cherkassy": 50,
"Lithuania": 18.33,
"Norway_south-east": 17.5,
"FR_South": 14.17,
"closestDistances": [
"Ukraine_Cherkassy:average: 2.276540",
"Lithuania:average: 3.756143",
"Norway_south-east:average: 4.694141",
"FR_South:average: 6.755637"

This should be obvious, Slovakia is more Germanic than Poland(both in y-dna and autosmal), naturally southern Poland would be as well. Gepids/Quiadians probably didn't have to flee en masse from the Huns unlike Germanics in the rest of Poland because of the mountains preventing Hun cavalry being effective.