Is Vistula River a genetic border

[Peterski]

Southern Poland still has more Germanic.

You were not using PL_South but PL_Subcarpathia. Use PL_South which is geographically to the west of Subcarpathia but is much more eastern-shifted genetically.

And Upper Silesia is located west of the Vistula.

[XenophobicPrussian]

This PL_Central average is based on only 2 or 3 samples though, as far as I know.

Including mlukas's mother... and his family is clearly eastern-shifted / atypical.

They literally have 40% Germanic Y-DNA

Source?

[Leto]

I think Czechs & Slovaks should rather be modeled as a Belarus-Dutch-Romanian mix (Slavic-Germanic-Balkanic).

[Peterski]

Unreliable source.

BTW that PL_Subcarpathia sample on K36 is unusually western-shifted because it is made at least partially of cherry-picked Polonized descendants of Forest Germans:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walddeutsche

Use PL_South instead which represents Lesser Poland Voivodeship (more or less), or at least it does not include Walddeutsche descendants.

[Dawnbringer]

You have to talk in specific, in the areas around Poland southern border with Romania, in around 13-14 Century was Transylvanian Saxons East Germanic migration this "Saxons" were still this time warlike tribe. Already there was Hungarian tribes, Balto Slavic tribes and Vlah tribes native of the region descending of Bulgarian Empire. The purpose defending Hungary in Northeastern Carpathians from quick assault Steppe invaders Tatars, Cumans, etc. They eventually assamilated into these peoples until now. More Germanic Saxons continued to migrant mostly Romania for business and trading job for few more century.

There is no recent Swabian people East of Vistula I am aware.

I already told you who I‘m talking about. Austria acquired Galicia in 1772 and Emperor Joseph II encouraged ethnic Germans to settle in the predominantly Slavic province. Over 3,200 families settled in Galicia. The descendants of these settlers represent the vast majority of the tiny German minority in Galicia in the 19th century and early 20th Century. They never assimilated all the way until expulsion.

Read more about these late German settlers here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_colonization

My point here is that any German admixture in Galician Poles Dates from the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or before. As you said there was strong hostility between Slavs and Germans in the time when Galicia was a province of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

[Peterski]

Southern Poland still has more Germanic.

Nope, you are not using Southern Poland but Subcarpathia (SE Poland).

In mlukas's PCA, Subcarpathia (South-East Poland) is more Germanic than South Poland; and West Ukraine is also more Germanic than South & Central Poland:

Subcarpathia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podkarpackie_Voivodeship

South Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Poland_Voivodeship

[Cumansky]

I already told you who I‘m talking about. Austria acquired Galicia in 1772 and King Joseph II encouraged ethnic Germans to settle in the predominantly Slavic province. Over 3,200 families settled in Galicia. These people represent the vast majority of the tiny German minority in Galicia in the 19th century and early 20th Century. They never assimilated all the way until expulsion.

Read more about these late German settlers here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_colonization

My point here is that any German admixture in Galician Poles Dates from the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or before. As you said there was strong hostility between Slavs and Germans in the time when Galicia was a province of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

That has to be made clear that mixing was majority in middle ages with East Germanics in Carpathian region, before any German state existed, and these nomad warlike East Germanic tribes assamilated proceeding important duty they had in Hungarian Empire because was no Austrian first was only Hungarian Empire, Kingdom of Poland and vassal Moldavia.

[Cumansky]

Nope, you are not using Southern Poland but Subcarpathia (SE Poland).

In mlukas's PCA, Subcarpathia (South-East Poland) is more Germanic than South Poland; and West Ukraine is also more Germanic than South & Central Poland:

Subcarpathia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podkarpackie_Voivodeship

South Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Poland_Voivodeship



I wonder what samples he used for West Ukraine that he ended up with West Ukrainian average being more western-shifted than South and Central Poland.

What you get in that DNA Tribes Table 1, 2

[Cumansky]

Pole West of Vistula: 20190825_233246.jpg

Pole East of Vistula: 20190825_233036.jpg

[Peterski]

And Lubusz and Opole?

I was talking about Pomerania only in that previous post you quoted.

In Opole (GSL1, OPO1) mostly local population, in Lubusz a mix from Kresy and from Poznan / Wielkopolska (light blue):



^^^ Map of GSL1 and OPO1 counties: